Off Season Ideas

[Jim French Stepstool]

 As a 3B Durbins' arm could be described as adequate. No way is he ever penciled in as a SS.

Barring something very surprising I think you'll see the same format next year at 2B-SS-3B while they bank on continued development from Pratt & Made and as always take a look at what might give you a short-term jolt at the deadline that isn't prospect-cost prohibitive. IMO the only way they consider a Turang at SS & Durbin at 2B scenario early in 2026 would have to involve a heckuva jump from Wilkin, and his bad luck with health has hindered that.

[Scooterfletcher]

8 hours ago, landoc88 said:

I just cant see the Brewers moving gold glove 2nd base to ss with the kids coming. If the Brewers decide to move for a 3rd base power bat Durbin can also slide over to SS.

Ortiz would be everyday SS and Durbin a rover getting 300-400 abs at different positions in your scenario.   Joey doesn’t lose his job in this scenario..  But Durbin’s role changes.

[wallus]

On 10/7/2025 at 9:12 PM, sveumrules said:

If the Rangers are truly tearing it down (& the Brewers aren't part of his limited no trade protection) I'd be interested in Corey Seager, but not sure paying $186M plus prospect capital for the age 32 to 37 seasons of a SS (maybe future 3B) is in the Brewers MO.

Don't get my hopes up Sveum.... (good target to be honest)

[tmwiese55]

10 hours ago, wallus said:

Don't get my hopes up Sveum.... (good target to be honest)

I can't see anyway we take on that contract at those ages.   I've always been a Seger guy and couldn't believe unlimited money Dodgers let him go.   But knowing our budgets as a brewer fan I would not want him at that contract even if given to us for no prospects.     And I can't see Texas paying a big chunk of it to dump him.  IMO, TX is going to try to win again next year.  Hous dynasty is finally cracking making the west easier.

[jay87shot]

Seager was brought up  a couple days and it would have to be like Yelich, Ashby, and maybe like Henderson or Pratt. That would be a pretty tough sell probably for Texas and in Milwaukee, especially when a team like the Yankees or Dodgers would give up more prospects and not have problems with Seager's contract.

[Scooterfletcher]

My full off season plans are fairly simple since my general philosophy given where we are and who we are is to promote from within and keep the band bonded together as long as you have a great farm which we do.

Sign Kim to be our SS and Ortiz moves to the Montasario role unless his trade value is greater than I think.   Still a great option at all of 3B/ss/2b if needed.  
 

See if there is a trade to be had for Steven Kwan.   He fits us and would help as much as a power bat would albeit in a different way.   For those wanting “a bat” added to the lineup in the off season, Kwan is ultimately the impact guy I think you are seeking.

 

3) Keep Peralta and resign Woodruff.   Self explanatory.   I would fill all bullpen and starting slots with these two and the current controlled 40 man. 

[Scooterfletcher]

3 hours ago, jay87shot said:

Seager was brought up  a couple days and it would have to be like Yelich, Ashby, and maybe like Henderson or Pratt. That would be a pretty tough sell probably for Texas and in Milwaukee, especially when a team like the Yankees or Dodgers would give up more prospects and not have problems with Seager's contract.

Maybe Semien would be the better target than Seager.2

[Team Canada]

3 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

Sign Kim to be our SS and Ortiz moves to the Montasario role

Monasterio.

[jay87shot]

18 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

Maybe Semien would be the better target than Seager.2

Semien's contract would make more sense and the cost to acquire him would be way less but also his bat has been in decline the past couple years. He might not be a bad option if the club is making to make a splash after all the better big name options are signed or moved.

[Scooterfletcher]

On 10/9/2025 at 9:15 PM, Team Canada said:

Monasterio.

Dude, you really are a moderator here and have nothing more to add than a spelling error I made on a tough name?   Who do I contact to make a complaint?

[Team Canada]

2 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

Dude, you really are a moderator here and have nothing more to add than a spelling error I made on a tough name?   Who do I contact to make a complaint?

Calm down. But I was thinking of Bulldog boy who consistently spells it Montesario.

[wntrtxn21]

On 10/9/2025 at 5:55 PM, Scooterfletcher said:

My full off season plans are fairly simple since my general philosophy given where we are and who we are is to promote from within and keep the band bonded together as long as you have a great farm which we do.

Sign Kim to be our SS and Ortiz moves to the Montasario role unless his trade value is greater than I think.   Still a great option at all of 3B/ss/2b if needed.  
 

See if there is a trade to be had for Steven Kwan.   He fits us and would help as much as a power bat would albeit in a different way.   For those wanting “a bat” added to the lineup in the off season, Kwan is ultimately the impact guy I think you are seeking.

 

3) Keep Peralta and resign Woodruff.   Self explanatory.   I would fill all bullpen and starting slots with these two and the current controlled 40 man. 

I like your idea about re-signing Woodruff and keeping Peralta. Woodruff could be fairly cheap on a "show me" contract and hopefully Peralta is even better in his walk year.  With Patrick, Henderson, Priester, and Miz (still not convinced on Gasser) they have enough to have a pretty decent starting staff. I can't see Kim going anywhere. He has a $16M player option with Atlanta and no team in baseball is going to come even remotely close to that for his services. He stays with the Braves and hopes to play better in his walk year.  I don't think Kwan does anything for the Brewers. He's a LF and not close to an impact bat they need.  In 625 ABs he had 11 HRs and drove in 56. Collins in 372 ABs, had 9 HRs and 54 RBIs with a better OPS and OPS+... 

[jay87shot]

Munetaka Murakami is suppose to be posted today. I would guess that the Dodgers are far and away the favorites and Murakami will get a big bag based on age and his 2022 season. I will say he would be a guy I would move Turang to SS and Durbs to 2B for. Then in 27 he could move to 1B when Vaughn is a FA.

[TURBO]

1 hour ago, jay87shot said:

Munetaka Murakami is suppose to be posted today. I would guess that the Dodgers are far and away the favorites and Murakami will get a big bag based on age and his 2022 season. I will say he would be a guy I would move Turang to SS and Durbs to 2B for. Then in 27 he could move to 1B when Vaughn is a FA.

In 2027, we better have Luke Adams or Blake Burke at 1B, if not, they have either not lived up to expectation, or have been traded.

[TURBO]

11 hours ago, wntrtxn21 said:

I can't see Kim going anywhere. He has a $16M player option with Atlanta and no team in baseball is going to come even remotely close to that for his services. He stays with the Braves and hopes to play better in his walk year.  

 

Braves beat writer Mark Bowman expects Ha-Seong Kim to decline his $16 million player option with the Braves.

 

Kim struggled in his return from shoulder surgery, hitting .234/.304/.345 in 191 plate appearances for the Rays and Braves, but he was trending up some at the end of the year. Plus, it’s an uncrowded field at shortstop this winter, with Kim ranking second or third at the position behind Bo Bichette and maybe Trevor Story if he opts out of his deal. Even if teams would be wary of signing him to a long-term deal, Kim should be able to beat $16 million on a one-year deal.

 

Source: MLB.com

[nate82]

5 hours ago, jay87shot said:

Munetaka Murakami is suppose to be posted today. I would guess that the Dodgers are far and away the favorites and Murakami will get a big bag based on age and his 2022 season. I will say he would be a guy I would move Turang to SS and Durbs to 2B for. Then in 27 he could move to 1B when Vaughn is a FA.

I would love to get him but I think it is down to the Dodgers, Padres, Mariners, Yankees, Mets or Red Sox at this point.  Milwaukee is just not a desirable location for someone from Japan.  

[brewcrewdue80]

Looked at the individual player splits with bases loaded after Ortiz came to the for the 32nd time this year. Thats double of any other Brewer hitter.  He has 5 hits.  Yelich was 12 of 16. I think Frelick was the worst at 2 for 12.

Anyway I found my way to Ortiz' home/road splits. It was below 500 OPS at home. But a tad over 700 OPS on the road. I think the Brewers should go and trade him. .3 BWAR this year. He doesnt need to be the SS blocking Made. The moment there's belief he's ready, he should be called up.  Swap him with any team who has a 1 or 2 year more expense SS thats at least 700 OPS or dang close.  Ortiz has likely cost the team 45 runs on offense.  30 alone with bases loaded.

[BrewCrewBlueDevil]

If MLB wants to even the playing field, overseas players should have to enter MLB through the draft instead of through the wealthy team bidding war.

[mudbutt]

I’m all for moving Turang to shortstop.  It just opens up the most options to improve the lineup as you can assemble a bunch of various 2nd/3rd base options and hope one of them emerges as a viable option.  Or you just play the hot hand and mix and match as necessary.  So between Durbin/Ortiz/Siegler/Wilken/depth signings and trades etc you hope at bats are earned.  And if they all stink, you hit the rental trade market mid year.  It’s so rare guys are traded now and basically everyone is replacement level anyway.  It’s why you often see on the board people ask for potential targets to those wanting FA signings and trades, because there’s nothing out there.

And when Pratt and Made and such finally make it, you either move Turang back to second or honestly just throw them in the 2nd/3rd pile and force them to emerge.  It’s probably for the better as it seems like it’s harder than ever for position prospects and you really need multiple options and not end up like the Cubs did with Shaw this year.

[BrewerFan]

On 10/8/2025 at 3:39 PM, Jim French Stepstool said:

 As a 3B Durbins' arm could be described as adequate. No way is he ever penciled in as a SS.

Barring something very surprising I think you'll see the same format next year at 2B-SS-3B while they bank on continued development from Pratt & Made and as always take a look at what might give you a short-term jolt at the deadline that isn't prospect-cost prohibitive. IMO the only way they consider a Turang at SS & Durbin at 2B scenario early in 2026 would have to involve a heckuva jump from Wilkin, and his bad luck with health has hindered that.

I think it's just as likely that Ortiz bounces back and has a solid offensive season next year. I mean... close to last year anyway. 

I think players get in their heads and they can look REALLY bad at the plate, taking really defensive swings. 

I would go into next year with the same IF. If Ortiz is this bad, you have Pratt who'll had hopefully some time in AAA.

You can move Turang to SS and Durbin to 2B with Wilken, Adams, I think Fischer could move fast. I wouldn't rush Made.

In fact, I'd tell him... 'you either sign this deal Chourio did or... we might not decide you're ready for 4-5 more years.'

That's obviously so ridiculous I don't need to put it in blue, but the main area of the team I'd like to add to is the back of the pen.

I love the OF. I don't trust Mitchell, but I think he will eventually be there for a season. 
SPing could be really interesting. 
IF could use an upgrade obviously, but you have SO much prospect capital invested into not area's of weakness, it doesn't make sense to go make a big deal at this point. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

9 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

I think it's just as likely that Ortiz bounces back and has a solid offensive season next year. I mean... close to last year anyway. 

I think players get in their heads and they can look REALLY bad at the plate, taking really defensive swings. 

I would go into next year with the same IF. If Ortiz is this bad, you have Pratt who'll had hopefully some time in AAA.

You can move Turang to SS and Durbin to 2B with Wilken, Adams, I think Fischer could move fast. I wouldn't rush Made.

In fact, I'd tell him... 'you either sign this deal Chourio did or... we might not decide you're ready for 4-5 more years.'

That's obviously so ridiculous I don't need to put it in blue, but the main area of the team I'd like to add to is the back of the pen.

I love the OF. I don't trust Mitchell, but I think he will eventually be there for a season. 
SPing could be really interesting. 
IF could use an upgrade obviously, but you have SO much prospect capital invested into not area's of weakness, it doesn't make sense to go make a big deal at this point. 

For awhile now I've seen Ortiz being panned on this board (not saying from you). I don't think some folks realize how little his contributions offensively need to be for him to be a more than acceptable everyday SS. As you said, close to last year wouldn't be a bad thing. At the same time, certainly you look for him to be pushed. Pratt would have first crack at doing that.

You might be correct re Mitchell. But right now I just can't wrap myself around the combination of health issues & swing decisions getting to where they need to be. I will admit, after the way he closed out 2024 I started to feel some optimism.

The shoulder issues may have permanently affected his throwing, but if he's at least acceptable in that regard I think people are really going to like what they see from Quero.

Fischer advancing rapidly could happen. And if he takes to the OF, so could Adamczewski.

 

[BrewerFan]

19 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Looked at the individual player splits with bases loaded after Ortiz came to the for the 32nd time this year. Thats double of any other Brewer hitter.  He has 5 hits.  Yelich was 12 of 16. I think Frelick was the worst at 2 for 12.

Anyway I found my way to Ortiz' home/road splits. It was below 500 OPS at home. But a tad over 700 OPS on the road. I think the Brewers should go and trade him. .3 BWAR this year. He doesnt need to be the SS blocking Made. The moment there's belief he's ready, he should be called up.  Swap him with any team who has a 1 or 2 year more expense SS thats at least 700 OPS or dang close.  Ortiz has likely cost the team 45 runs on offense.  30 alone with bases loaded.

He is probably going to need a year in AA and Pratt is coming up before him... and I'd like to see an extension with him like we had with Chourio. You can't force that... BUT, he's so young, I wouldn't be quite so quick to bring him up. 

As for Ortiz... I thin you're all throwing him on the scrapheap a bit too early. 

This is basically his second season. He was solid last year, especially at 3B and he has been bad this year, but... we don't NEED to rush this. 

Pratt will be ready hopefully if they really NEED someone, if he's this bad again next year, but I would think a fresh year will be good for him. He may not be the player he was supposed to be, but he should be good enough to get you to the next wave and then a super utility man for a year or two or traded at that point.

 

We want to do this with all our own young players who struggle, but then we're just looking for other players who have the same pedigree who have also struggled(else they wouldn't be available to us). 

 

Also, you said he cost us 45 runs with the bases loaded. Didn't he have 16 RBIs with the bases loaded in 31 PAs? 

I'm not sure the average runs scored per AB with the bases juiced, but I don't think it's 1.5...

[Austin Tatious]

I would keep Turang at second for the long term and see what they can do about an extension that might be a win-win. He’s perfect for our philosophy as an organization.  They want a shortstop caliber glove at second, i.e., a plus defender and athlete on both offense and defense.  I’d also look at Frelick similarly.  

[BrewerFan]

9 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

For awhile now I've seen Ortiz being panned on this board (not saying from you). I don't think some folks realize how little his contributions offensively need to be for him to be a more than acceptable everyday SS. As you said, close to last year wouldn't be a bad thing. At the same time, certainly you look for him to be pushed. Pratt would have first crack at doing that.

You might be correct re Mitchell. But right now I just can't wrap myself around the combination of health issues & swing decisions getting to where they need to be. I will admit, after the way he closed out 2024 I started to feel some optimism.

The shoulder issues may have permanently affected his throwing, but if he's at least acceptable in that regard I think people are really going to like what they see from Quero.

Fischer advancing rapidly could happen. And if he takes to the OF, so could Adamczewski.

 

Ok... starting with Mitchell, I wouldn't bank on him for anything... but I would be fine with starting the year with him in CF. If he gets hurt, Chourio moves over and Collins moves back into the starting lineup.

Ortiz-I agree. Last years offense +this years defense and that's a ~3-4 WAR player. 

 

I don't know what happened to the bat speed or why the walk rate is off from last year, but... we saw Turang taking those defensive hacks. Also, we REALLY don't have much of a choice. We not going and giving up a lot in one of these really... overly complicated trades in which Chad Patrick is going there and 2-3 players are going to another team and we get a SS when.. we have 2 in AA and 1 in HiA. 

 

Adams, Wilken, Burke(though he's DH/1B only IMO) could also be ready next year. 

2027 is going to suck because I feel like that's... our '94 Expos type season. But I'm not bringing up Made until that '27 season unless he's just SO good that he forces his way up. 

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, Austin Tatious said:

I would keep Turang at second for the long term and see what they can do about an extension that might be a win-win. He’s perfect for our philosophy as an organization.  They want a shortstop caliber glove at second, i.e., a plus defender and athlete on both offense and defense.  I’d also look at Frelick similarly.  

Turang is now a Super 2, so I think 7/120 would probably be fair. 

 

Edit-NOW a Super 2, rather than "not" a Super 2. If he's not a Super 2, that'd adjust the number.