3B Caleb Durbin, SS Andrew Monasterio, Util Anthony Seigler and Comp B pick traded to Red Sox for LHP Kyle Harrison, LHP Shane Drohan and 2B/SS David Hamilton

[TURBO]

44 minutes ago, ClosetBrewerFan said:

FWIW, Fangraphs roster resource has Jett at SS and Ortiz at 3b. This makes the most sense right now.

What makes the most sense is replacing Ortiz and his crap bat in the line-up entirely, not moving him over to a power hitting position.  If Jett can handle SS right out of the gate, then we need a real 3B and his bat, not what Ortiz provides there.  Yes, I know Joey plays great defense, but if he isn't going to play SS, where we can theoretically hide his crap bat, then I don't want him in the line-up.

I do not believe he will find his 2024 bat, I also don't believe he will be as bad as 2025.  He can't be that bad, right?  RIGHT?

[wiguy94]

9 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Priester was traded from the Pirates to Boston, then from Boston to us.

I mean, Durbin was traded from the Yankees to us, and now from us to Boston so he has been traded twice also.

Durbin was actually traded to the Yankees as well so three trades for him.

[wiguy94]

5 hours ago, Underachiever said:

Is Made seen as a power hitter? Doubles hitter, for sure. but as I've understood it he's kind of been an OBP guy.

Has power upside. Needs to tweak the swing a bit to get to the power more. Has upside to be a 30 HR guy.

[owbc]

16 minutes ago, TURBO said:

What makes the most sense is replacing Ortiz and his crap bat in the line-up entirely, not moving him over to a power hitting position.  If Jett can handle SS right out of the gate, then we need a real 3B and his bat, not what Ortiz provides there.  Yes, I know Joey plays great defense, but if he isn't going to play SS, where we can theoretically hide his crap bat, then I don't want him in the line-up.

I do not believe he will find his 2024 bat, I also don't believe he will be as bad as 2025.  He can't be that bad, right?  RIGHT?

If Joey Ortiz was on another team right now he would be a guy that we would circle as a potential acquisition target. Plus defender with some track record of success coming off a rough year? That's our guy. 

[WiscoSportsHub]

8 hours ago, snoogans8056 said:

Sure feels like Megill and Patrick are our next selling at their high point guys…

We are clearly clearing out the infield for that wave of prospects coming up.

1B / DH: Adams, Wilken, Burke, Fischer

2B: Turang

SS / 3B: Pratt, Jett, Made

3B: Wilken, Fischer

Sign Turang to an extension, let him be the adult in the room.

Watch us sell them both for Anthony Volpe and Ben Hess, surely they can fix his defense right? (;--;)

[BrewCrew8675309]

8 hours ago, tmwiese55 said:

Not sure I get the thinking here.  Have to remember it was for 1 year of Williams. We'd have literally 0 right now if we kept him.  Instead, we already got one year of Durbin which would generally be the equivalent of the one year of Williams.  And now we have two pitching prospects and 14ish years of control on them, that if they pan out at all makes the brewers come out way ahead in the deal.

If you knew going into the Williams trade that you would have a 3B that would have the best WAR year of that reliever you traded away....even if it was just for last year of the contract for the third baseman, so a straight up one year for deal for one year deal, I think you do it.

 

In addition you get two pitching prospects with many many years of control..... then you really do it.

 

The problem may be that we don't have a Brock Wilken or Luke Adams with a OPS of over 1.0 in the minors knocking in the door begging us to get rid of that rookie of the year candidate at third base who did have many yrs of control... so now we are all on edge waiting for the other shoe to drop.

[MNBrew]

9 hours ago, Austin Tatious said:

Would people be ok with packaging Logan Henderson and Brock Wilken (or Luke Adams) for a controllable young 3B?  

No.  My goodness, no.  I love good trade activity as much as the next guy, but no to this.

As others have noted, there's also the obvious caveat of not knowing who the potential return would be, assuming you wouldn't consider Wilken or Adams the exact sort of young 3B you're moving out assets to get.

[MNBrew]

It's been 13+ hours since the trade news broke.  I've spent a lot of time pondering it.  I've read all 8 pages of this thread....

-  I still don't know yet what to think of it, except that it's interesting.

- I keep thinking of questions and no lead-pipe-cinch answers are apparent yet.

- However, I trust Matt Arnold & I'm intrigued.  The Brewers always have a plan.  What that plan is is anyone's guess.

- It also feels like there's another move coming.  While we love big news, I'd guess it's more likely an under-the-radar type of move.

- I like what Durbin brought last year.  Monasterio did alright and had some decent runs here, plus a few especially good moments, though also plenty of unproductive stretches, too.  Seigler, however . . . . More surprising than anything about him is reading some comments where people think he's any kind of loss.  It's his picture that pops up today when you look up "just a guy."

- As to the speculation that this might preclude any possible acquisition of a veteran depth SP option, I really don't get the comment someone made about Quintana being a low-ceiling guy.  I'll take the legit 11-7 record with a 3.96 ERA at K-Mart Blue Light Special pricing anyday.

[liveforoctober]

3 hours ago, TURBO said:

What makes the most sense is replacing Ortiz and his crap bat in the line-up entirely, not moving him over to a power hitting position.  If Jett can handle SS right out of the gate, then we need a real 3B and his bat, not what Ortiz provides there.  Yes, I know Joey plays great defense, but if he isn't going to play SS, where we can theoretically hide his crap bat, then I don't want him in the line-up.

I do not believe he will find his 2024 bat, I also don't believe he will be as bad as 2025.  He can't be that bad, right?  RIGHT?

The Pete Alonso/Eugenio Suarez types are the dinosaurs in today's game. Everyone today is an athlete and expected to contribute in all phases. I don't think teams still do the "RF and 3B need to hit home runs" thing anymore.

Last year only eight starting 3B (qualifying) had a slugging % above league average. Only seven 3B hit 20 or more home runs -> 2025 MLB Player Hitting Stat Leaders | MLB.com

The last time the Brewers had a starting 3B who was considered a 'power hitter' was Moustakas in 2019. Since then the player who has started the most games each season for us at 3B: Eric Sogard, Luis Urias, Luis Urias/Jace Peterson, Brian Anderson/Andruw Monasterio, Joey Ortiz, Caleb Durbin.

In 2024 Ortiz ranked 9th among qualifying 3rd baseman in slug% (ahead of Arenado and Ryan McMahon) -> 2024 MLB Player Hitting Stat Leaders | MLB.com

His 2.7 WAR (baseball reference) made him a top 100 position player based on WAR (ahead of Pete Alonso, Sal Perez, Chisholm, Christian Walker, etc)

If the Brewers get 2024 Ortiz at the plate ... he would be a Top 10 3B in the league - value wise.

[gregmag]

A few words in praise of Mona. Dude made positive contributions to division winning teams two seasons out of three. He did whatever the team asked him to do whenever they asked him to do it, and he stayed super positive through all of it. I also don’t think he ever got enough credit for his curious resemblance to Malcolm X. I’m really going to miss him.

My general take on the trade is that Caleb Durbin is a nice, useful player, but he’s not the kind of player you ever let stand in the way of getting a guy with serious upside. I think they really like Harrison. They like him enough that, yeah, it would have worked out better for this deal to be on the table in a year, but it’s on the table now, so you make it now. It’s possible you lose a win or two at 3b in 2026. That’s what you’re risking. So you figure out how to beat that risk, or you compensate for the loss some other way. Good teams can mitigate risk in exchange for upside.

[brewcrewdue80]

This looks better on the Brewers side looking back on pipeline years  Harrison was SF's #1 prospect in 23&24.  You can go to the SFG team rankings for 2022-2024 i read his bio where one year called him to head the future Giants rotation.  Gotta figure the lab within Milw identifies his top 2 or 3 pitch types to use and ditch or change at least one of his types that aren't as effective. I think his max professional season IP are upper 120s near 130. That would align him with Misiorowski and Sproat. Gotta like a 3 headed rotation to align with 0 SP inning limitations after this season.

 

[RobertCrawley]

5 hours ago, TURBO said:

What makes the most sense is replacing Ortiz and his crap bat in the line-up entirely, not moving him over to a power hitting position.  If Jett can handle SS right out of the gate, then we need a real 3B and his bat, not what Ortiz provides there.  Yes, I know Joey plays great defense, but if he isn't going to play SS, where we can theoretically hide his crap bat, then I don't want him in the line-up.

I do not believe he will find his 2024 bat, I also don't believe he will be as bad as 2025.  He can't be that bad, right?  RIGHT?

Joey O definitely needs to get going. I hope he spent a TON of time in from the Trajekt machine to get ready for this season.

[umphrey]

I hope we are all ready for Ortiz and Hamilton batting 8/9 most days. Throw in Perkins or a backup C and a full 1/3 of the lineup has a dead bat. I'm hoping another move is coming or I am underrating a MiLB option. Jett better be ready to play in 2026. 

[Jopal78]

7 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

This looks better on the Brewers side looking back on pipeline years  Harrison was SF's #1 prospect in 23&24.  You can go to the SFG team rankings for 2022-2024 i read his bio where one year called him to head the future Giants rotation.  Gotta figure the lab within Milw identifies his top 2 or 3 pitch types to use and ditch or change at least one of his types that aren't as effective. I think his max professional season IP are upper 120s near 130. That would align him with Misiorowski and Sproat. Gotta like a 3 headed rotation to align with 0 SP inning limitations after this season.

 

For context, in 2023 MLB had the Giants farm system ranked 21st. It was lower in ‘24.

Harrison was also traded in the Devers deal where San Francisco absorbed $250 million dollars in guaranteed salary and the word on Harrison then was he struggled with command/ developing secondary offerings.

I get unconditional prospect love is paramount here, but I’m not relevance of pointing out what a great prospect Harrison was multiple seasons ago. 

… and yes I am aware the Brewers may have the patience to work with a pitcher to help them reach their apex that Boston doesn’t, but still unless there is another transaction coming, it seems like creating a roster hole in the majors to shuffle pieces around rather than strategic building. Time will tell.

[Frisbee Slider]

29 minutes ago, umphrey said:

I hope we are all ready for Ortiz and Hamilton batting 8/9 most days.

Brewers scored third most runs in baseball last year and most of our position players could be expected to improve in 2026 

[BadgerBert1]

12 hours ago, TURBO said:

What makes the most sense is replacing Ortiz and his crap bat in the line-up entirely, not moving him over to a power hitting position.  If Jett can handle SS right out of the gate, then we need a real 3B and his bat, not what Ortiz provides there.  Yes, I know Joey plays great defense, but if he isn't going to play SS, where we can theoretically hide his crap bat, then I don't want him in the line-up.

I do not believe he will find his 2024 bat, I also don't believe he will be as bad as 2025.  He can't be that bad, right?  RIGHT?

Love Ortiz glove, unfortunately he killed way too many rallies with his bat. In order to remain the team to beat, we need offensive upgrade at SS and 3rd.

[jay87shot]

Any thoughts of Jake Bauers in LF at least part time? If we do go forward with Jett at 3B (or SS), if Bauers hits like he did the last month and playoffs after a slight swing change it could be huge for the lineup. 

Misi, Priester, Patrick, Sproat, Henderson, and Harrison reminds me of the Mariners rotation a couple years back. At least for the next 4 years or so we really shouldn't need to do anything to our rotation considering our depth now and young guys. I wonder if any of those starters would agree to an Ashby style extension before next year or so. Having Woody as a mentor helps.

I am going to throw this out there again but I think there is a great opportunity to be revolutionary and do an 8 man double piggy back rotation. All of our starters could use some coddling with overall work load. Something like 1)Woody/Ashby 2)Priester/Hall 3)Harrison/Patrick 4)Misi/Henderson with Sproat getting a month or so in AAA would be epic every guy would get 40 appearences with 150+ innings. There would be depth with Gasser, Sproat, Zerpa, Crow, CarRod, and more. No pitcher would likely go through the lineup more than twice which our organization loves. it would likely save a bullpen having to only cover maybe 2 innings a game and having a couple taxi guys would really make it easy to baby some arms.

[Turning2]

13 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

If it were true that they're planning to take a step back this season and that their "real window" is in a couple years, you would have heard about them dangling William Contreras in trades this offseason. Because that's so obviously what that philosophy would dictate.

They don't have "windows". They're focused on winning now AND in the future. And have consistently said as much. These moves are more geared towards the future certainly, but they also traded for pieces that are going to impact the MLB club starting this year.

It's a year too early to dangle Contreras. He will be next year.

[homer]

Feels like the Brewers are setting themselves up for two or three years down the road. As Arnold mentioned, they have a ton of really good infield prospects in the minors. Something has to give. The elephant in the room is the potential/likely lockout after this season. I'd be shocked if the braintrust wasn't making moves with that in mind.

[Turning2]

13 hours ago, wallus said:

If the Brewers didn't plan on being competitive this year, they would not have offered Woody a QO. They might not make the playoffs but they for sure are trying.

Not necessarily. It's just as likely they coveted the comp pick, gambled that Woody would decline and lost. They were moving Peralta regardless. We could have easily been facing the opener without either and the marketing push would be how exciting all the new young arms are going to be. Miz would have been forced into the ace role ahead of schedule.  

[TURBO]

45 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

Any thoughts of Jake Bauers in LF at least part time? If we do go forward with Jett at 3B (or SS), if Bauers hits like he did the last month and playoffs after a slight swing change it could be huge for the lineup. 

 

Any thoughts of Bauers playing full time at multiple positions is just going to be a let down.  I'm not buying into anything regarding he can be anything more than a bench guy who every once in a while looks better than a bench guy.

[TURBO]

9 hours ago, liveforoctober said:

The Pete Alonso/Eugenio Suarez types are the dinosaurs in today's game. Everyone today is an athlete and expected to contribute in all phases. I don't think teams still do the "RF and 3B need to hit home runs" thing anymore.

Last year only eight starting 3B (qualifying) had a slugging % above league average. Only seven 3B hit 20 or more home runs -> 2025 MLB Player Hitting Stat Leaders | MLB.com

The last time the Brewers had a starting 3B who was considered a 'power hitter' was Moustakas in 2019. Since then the player who has started the most games each season for us at 3B: Eric Sogard, Luis Urias, Luis Urias/Jace Peterson, Brian Anderson/Andruw Monasterio, Joey Ortiz, Caleb Durbin.

In 2024 Ortiz ranked 9th among qualifying 3rd baseman in slug% (ahead of Arenado and Ryan McMahon) -> 2024 MLB Player Hitting Stat Leaders | MLB.com

His 2.7 WAR (baseball reference) made him a top 100 position player based on WAR (ahead of Pete Alonso, Sal Perez, Chisholm, Christian Walker, etc)

If the Brewers get 2024 Ortiz at the plate ... he would be a Top 10 3B in the league - value wise.

Ok, let's say that what you are saying is true.  We have to get power someplace.  We are in desperate need for someone, who in given situations has the chance at knocking one out of the park.  Our line-up is punchless today, and it was punchless last year.

If we aren't going to get any power at 1B or 3B with some "dinosaur" player, where is it going to come from?

Chourio has yet to show any significant consistent power,, Yelich, those days are likely behind him.  Frelick?  Vaughn has a shot, and did provide some clutch power last season in limited at bats.  Turang?  Ortiz?  That leaves Contreras...

Call me crazy, but we are still sitting here with a line-up without a power source.  I may be old school in my line of thinking that we need at least one guy who is a threat, but once the season hits, and we are getting guys on base with no one to knock them all in, I think my reasoning will be in line with how most feel about the lack of power in this line-up.

[gregmag]

1 hour ago, Jopal78 said:

I get unconditional prospect love is paramount here, but I’m not relevance of pointing out what a great prospect Harrison was multiple seasons ago. 

This is an unbelievably arrogant comment.  People here have been making all kinds of nuanced assessments of Harrison, and people here make all kinds of nuanced assessments of other prospects all the time, and you know that perfectly well.  If the only way you can feel smart is by taking cheap shots at the community to aggrandize your own supposed superior wisdom, maybe don't.

[tmwiese55]

Going back to the talk a bit ago about the traditional thought on 3B power and hitting in general made me remember a few days ago when MLB network did their list of top 10 3B right now and I thought to myself how weak it is these days. It really doesn't take much to be an above avg 3B now, surprisingly weak position. A theory, perhaps advanced analytics have made teams realize the defensive value so some good hitters who 30-40 years ago would've hung at 3B (while being bad at D) are now getting moved to corner OF/1B/DH. 

[RobDeer 45]

Ok, after thinking on this more over the last 24 hours, I have some thoughts.  I don't think we do any splash moves for a third baseman.  We have two of the top ten 3b prospects along with Made in our system.  To me, I think their thought was, we can piece this together for a year.  Let's not lose sight of the long term plan.  I could see them adding a scrap heap type third basemen to throw into the mix and hope they can contribute.  

They are saying, we'll take on the risk of more variance this year for the higher potential in the near future.  We may take a step back this year, or maybe we are fine.  Time will tell, but I'm excited to see all these young players coming through the system.