Blue Jays (Bassitt) vs Brewers (Myers): 6/12/24, 1:10pm

[HarryDoyle]

20 minutes ago, willie key said:

Learning experience for Murphy.   Never close out a game with bad pitchers

 

 Unless it’s like a 7-8 run lead

Milner is a bad pitcher? Since when? One bad appearance and all of the sudden he's bad?

[tmwiese55]

Yea Hudson has been lights out.  Milner has been solid for years now and he'd just gone 1-2-3 the inning before.     

The main discussion would come around taking Tobias out after 6 considering our BP usage this year.  I didn't go back and look at Hudson/Milners game logs but I'm guessing they had them pegged as guys that could use an inning today to not be laid off toooo long.  Still, why not one more out of Myers first. 

[Underachiever]

11 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

Milner is a bad pitcher? Since when? One bad appearance and all of the sudden he's bad?

Maybe he thinks Hudson and Megill are the bad ones. I dunno

[Jim French Stepstool]

With the day off tomorrow & the way the pen has performed I'm OK with Myers leaving after 6. He's also had what, half a dozen starts or so in the bigs? There's a 'leave well enough alone' component in play here, too. If it's a more experienced guy, or something like a six run lead, sure, let 'im go. 

Milner going back out there might seem a little weird but he has the rubber arm of the group, plus you can get Hudson out of there after a quick frame, day off tomorrow, good to go Friday. This whole late-inning thing was kind of a 'no-mans land'--not the typical deal of protecting a 1 or 2 run lead, but not a blowout either. What got the problem really rolling was Milner not getting Horwitz in the L vs L matchup. That kid is a pain in the butt w/some versatility. Would love to have him. Then we were stuck w/Megill having to enter with runners on base, which is far from ideal. But, survival.

Frelick didn't do anything today to get him on the highlights, but seemed a little more about patience-contact-pressure. More, please.

[yourout]

52 minutes ago, willie key said:

Learning experience for Murphy.   Never close out a game with bad pitchers

 

 Unless it’s like a 7-8 run lead

Otherwise known as the Chafin Rule.

[Bulldogboy]

Chourio getting more consistent playing time and keeping on with multiple hit games. I like that. He's figuring it out a bit.

[wiguy94]

16 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Milner going back out there might seem a little weird but he has the rubber arm of the group, plus you can get Hudson out of there after a quick frame, day off tomorrow, good to go Friday. This whole late-inning thing was kind of a 'no-mans land'--not the typical deal of protecting a 1 or 2 run lead, but not a blowout either. What got the problem really rolling was Milner not getting Horwitz in the L vs L matchup. That kid is a pain in the butt w/some versatility. Would love to have him. Then we were stuck w/Megill having to enter with runners on base, which is far from ideal. But, survival.

To be fair to Milner that should have been an out. Bauers just let the ball roll by him on what should have been a relatively routine 3-1 putout.

[nate82]

1 hour ago, Sixtolezcano said:

I couldn’t find were to find that stat. Let me know where to find that.

I couldn’t find the runs by home run but the Brewers only have a 2.7% home run rate per hit.  https://www.teamrankings.com/mlb/stat/home-run-pct

I think if you extract that out it should give you a quick reference in the run distribution by hits.  You could calculate it manually at baseball reference I think.

[formerlybis]

I am curious about crediting a run as earned or unearned.

In the 6th, all the scoring came with 2 outs. The first one was on a double steal, The steal of home is an earned run - no debate. But, there was an error on the throw to second that allowed Turang to go to 3rd. He then easily scored on the Contreras single. This is the run I have a question about, because it was scored an earned run, as were the subsequent 3 runs that inning.

I'm assuming it was scored this way because a) the error wouldn't have caused the 3rd out had it not occurred, and b) the Turang run would have scored even without the error (given the subsequent 3 hits). 

If they had ruled that without the error, it would have been a caught stealing, then all 5 runs would be unearned, right?

[RobertCrawley]

Somehow, somehow, this team is keeping it rolling 

[LouisEly]

3 hours ago, Team Canada said:

Why are major league catchers throwing to second in that scenario? Like ever?

I think it's the job of the SS/2B to watch for the runner breaking from 3B and, if he does, to charge the throw, cut it off, and throw home.  If it's a bad throw, they might not be able to charge the throw.

[LouisEly]

3 hours ago, BruisedCrew said:

No reason to push your luck with some key arms in the bullpen rested and a day off tomorrow. 

That, and their SP depth is really thin right now.  My guess is that they'll be conservative with pitch count on starters for the time being until some starters are ready to come off the IL so as to reduce the risk for any arm fatigue/injuries to the few healthy starters they have. 

I'm also guessing that a 6-man rotation is off the table due to lack of depth and racking up the number of times guys have been sent down, so they may be keeping pitch count low for starters so that they can have a 5-man rotation even if they have a stretch with no days off.

[AKCheesehead]

Went today with Dad, what a weird game. That double steal and boneheaded throw on the play changed the whole game. Would’ve liked to see Tobias get another inning perhaps, and Hoby pulled sooner definitely. Thankful for the W though. 

[yourout]

Glad to have that series behind us.

Blue Jays are a talented bunch but their performance on the field does not match the talent level.

Might be a manger issue.

[Brian]

10 hours ago, patrickgpe said:

what does that have to do with a Wednesday afternoon brewers - bluejays game?

About as much as your post when you said, "I’m swamped too,  but was scheduled a while back and normally what happens is that games get cancelled. Looks like I’m working this evening though" 

[StearnsFTW]

Tremendous read.  Thanks to all of those that contributed.

 

[BruisedCrew]

4 hours ago, formerlybis said:

I am curious about crediting a run as earned or unearned.

In the 6th, all the scoring came with 2 outs. The first one was on a double steal, The steal of home is an earned run - no debate. But, there was an error on the throw to second that allowed Turang to go to 3rd. He then easily scored on the Contreras single. This is the run I have a question about, because it was scored an earned run, as were the subsequent 3 runs that inning.

I'm assuming it was scored this way because a) the error wouldn't have caused the 3rd out had it not occurred, and b) the Turang run would have scored even without the error (given the subsequent 3 hits). 

If they had ruled that without the error, it would have been a caught stealing, then all 5 runs would be unearned, right?

You are correct that the runs are all earned because they will not assume that an out would have been recorded without the throwing error. So, with the subsequent hits, all of the runs would have scored even without the error. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

7 hours ago, Team Canada said:

Why are major league catchers throwing to second in that scenario? Like ever?

It's a play Toronto put on, Murphy talked about it in postgame. You give the appearance of a throw going through to throw out the runner but a MINF cuts in front of the bag & quickly returns it to the catcher to nail the runner at 3rd. Same thing as letting the runner take 2nd except you may get an out at home if the runner at 3rd doesn't read it properly. It really isn't a tough throw for a catcher but Kirk really botched it.

We ran the same play in fastpitch softball. It even worked a time or two.😁

[Jim French Stepstool]

5 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

To be fair to Milner that should have been an out. Bauers just let the ball roll by him on what should have been a relatively routine 3-1 putout.

Definitely looked wonky, between Bauers not making the play or maybe laying back from the get-go & letting Turang handle it. Agree it needed to be an out.

[BlightyBrew]

Good series win.  I would of been upset if we blew this game.  Each of the games were tight but I thought we outplayed the Blue Jays the entire series. 

Day off and Cincy comes into town.  

 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

14 hours ago, Underachiever said:

Maybe he thinks Hudson and Megill are the bad ones. I dunno

LOL ... even in a win, haters gonna hate

[AKCheesehead]

I thought maybe they’d change that “hit” and give Turang his throwing error. Nope. 

[gregmag]

Did Murphy say anything after the game about pulling Myers?  Like most people, I wanted to see him go back out for the 7th. But I can think of a few possible reasons for pulling him:

 

His confidence is growing massively. Don’t mess with a good plateau. 
 

He threw 100 pitches last time out, so maybe they wanted to keep his pitch count down a bit. 
 

The bottom of the 6th took a long time. Maybe sending him back out was on the table, but the long wait tipped the scale in favor of the bullpen. 
 

All just speculation of course.

[Team Canada]

13 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

It's a play Toronto put on, Murphy talked about it in postgame. You give the appearance of a throw going through to throw out the runner but a MINF cuts in front of the bag & quickly returns it to the catcher to nail the runner at 3rd. Same thing as letting the runner take 2nd except you may get an out at home if the runner at 3rd doesn't read it properly. It really isn't a tough throw for a catcher but Kirk really botched it.

We ran the same play in fastpitch softball. It even worked a time or two.😁

I get the idea, but it seems like something where a lot has to go right and it can easily lead to a run if either throw isn't executed perfectly. To me it's not worth it the vast majority of the time.

[Underachiever]

3 hours ago, Team Canada said:

I get the idea, but it seems like something where a lot has to go right and it can easily lead to a run if either throw isn't executed perfectly. To me it's not worth it the vast majority of the time.

The alternative is what you have in fastpitch. If there is a runner on first and third, you may as well just let the runner on first go to second because it's really hard to stop it from happening. There has to be some counter to allow defenses to be effective.