Article: 2024 MLB Draft Day 1 Thread

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, Bulldogboy said:

Does that make sense to you??

In this draft, where there's so little separating 15 from 60, yes it does. 

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, sveumrules said:

Payne (17.9) tied for 2nd youngest on FG Top 100.

Meccage (18.3) tied for 11th.

Levonias (18.4) tied for 15th.

Didn’t click on the individual birthdays but that is 3 of the 17 youngest players on their board.

Also classic Brewers. 

[Bulldogboy]

Just now, Brewcrew82 said:

In this draft, where there's so little separating 15 from 60, yes it does. 

If there was no difference everyone would be doing it. They ain't. 

[Oxy]

7 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Does that make sense to you??

A. Why do you put such trust in MLB's rankings over Tod Johnson's ratings? I am guessing Brewers had all these guys in in their 35-50 range....they decided to grab 4 of them that they like by going under/over slot with these guys (and maybe half agreements with a few more if it so fell that way) rather than grab the 15th best guy on their board at 17, who maybe they don't like much more than any of these guys and having to spend the entire slot, thus not getting any of the other three.

 

So YES, this makes sense to me.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

And suddenly the draft isn't so bad is it lol. That's why you gotta wait and there is even more to come. 

[82brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

If there was no difference everyone would be doing it. They ain't. 

They are.

[Brewcrew82]

4 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

If there was no difference everyone would be doing it. They ain't. 

I like to trust a FO that put together the top draft in the league last year. Or should we have just done what everyone else did then?

[Bulldogboy]

Just now, Brewcrew82 said:

I like to trust a FO that put together the top draft in the league last year. 

We shall see. Eric Brown does still exist but we will see.

[sveumrules]

3 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

If there was no difference everyone would be doing it. They ain't. 

Every team in MLB manipulates their bonus pool by taking low dollar signs earlier than projected by the “experts” to go over slot with later picks.

The guy the Phillies picked in the first round wasn’t on the MLB or FanGraphs Top 100

[82brewcrew82]

Just now, Bulldogboy said:

We shall see. Eric Brown does still exist but we will see.

So does Cooper Pratt.

[Brewcrew82]

Just now, Bulldogboy said:

We shall see. Eric Brown does still exist but we will see.

Eric Brown Jr. was 2022 and he also allowed us to draft Misiorowski. Not looking good right now, but you have to look at both sides of the equation. 

[CheeseheadInQC]

9 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Agreed. If you are going to pay a lesser talent more and a better talent less just reverse the order so you get who you like and aren't at the mercy of others.

There are arguments for doing it both ways.

The counterpoint is, if you are confident that you can float player X, then you have your choice of players who would sign for the amount you want to pay the other slot. This can come in handy if you think that one of those players is severely undervalued because then you don't risk them getting taken first. Like last year, if you take Bitonti and Pratt before Boeve, you don't get Boeve because he would have been gone by that point in the draft.

There is also a bonus pool incentive to floating a player to Day 3. Last year the Brewers signed Craig Yoho in the 8th round for $10,000 and Bishop Letson in the 11th round to $482,600. Because $150,000 gets subtracted off Letson's total per bonus pool rules for rounds 11-20, it cost the Brewers $140,000 less against the bonus pool than if they had flipped the two rounds.

[snoogans8056]

My only worry is that someone brought up the new CBA stating that you have to pay 75% of the slot.

We aren’t saving nearly as much as we probably should on the first rounder.

[Brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Every team in MLB manipulates their bonus pool by taking low dollar signs earlier than projected by the “experts” to go over slot with later picks.

The guy the Phillies picked in the first round wasn’t on the MLB or FanGraphs Top 100

Rangers won the WS last year with their first round pick hitting cleanup that no one had ranked period.

[wallus]

Lots of draft left, there may be more savings to be used yet.

[82brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

There are arguments for doing it both ways.

The counterpoint is, if you are confident that you can float player X, then you have your choice of players who would sign for the amount you want to pay the other slot. This can come in handy if you think that one of those players is severely undervalued because then you don't risk them getting taken first. Like last year, if you take Bitonti and Pratt before Boeve, you don't get Boeve because he would have been gone by that point in the draft.

There is also a bonus pool incentive to floating a player to Day 3. Last year the Brewers signed Craig Yoho in the 8th round for $10,000 and Bishop Letson in the 11th round to $482,600. Because $150,000 gets subtracted off Letson's total per bonus pool rules for rounds 11-20, it cost the Brewers $140,000 less against the bonus pool than if they had flipped the two rounds.

Its fun to understand what is actually happening.

[Bulldogboy]

4 minutes ago, Oxy said:

A. Why do you put such trust in MLB's rankings over Tod Johnson's ratings? I am guessing Brewers had all these guys in in their 35-50 range....they decided to grab 4 of them that they like by going under/over slot with these guys (and maybe half agreements with a few more if it so fell that way) rather than grab the 15th best guy on their board at 17, who maybe they don't like much more than any of these guys and having to spend the entire slot, thus not getting any of the other three.

 

So YES, this makes sense to me.

I give Johnson the benefit of the doubt but I think it's worth asking questions. Now I do understand questions are frowned upon by some here but I don't just go group think like most here. I am open to the ideal that there are possibilities the Brewers could be better. 

[82brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, wallus said:

Lots of draft left, there may be more savings to be used yet.

No way, this is all just random craziness with no plan.

[sveumrules]

1 minute ago, Bulldogboy said:

I give Johnson the benefit of the doubt but I think it's worth asking questions. Now I do understand questions are frowned upon by some here but I don't just go group think like most here. I am open to the ideal that there are possibilities the Brewers could be better. 

Were you asking questions or stating your opinions as facts?

[Bulldogboy]

3 minutes ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

There are arguments for doing it both ways.

The counterpoint is, if you are confident that you can float player X, then you have your choice of players who would sign for the amount you want to pay the other slot. This can come in handy if you think that one of those players is severely undervalued because then you don't risk them getting taken first. Like last year, if you take Bitonti and Pratt before Boeve, you don't get Boeve because he would have been gone by that point in the draft.

There is also a bonus pool incentive to floating a player to Day 3. Last year the Brewers signed Craig Yoho in the 8th round for $10,000 and Bishop Letson in the 11th round to $482,600. Because $150,000 gets subtracted off Letson's total per bonus pool rules for rounds 11-20, it cost the Brewers $140,000 less against the bonus pool than if they had flipped the two rounds.

Yeah I get that. Good point 

[Joseph Zarr]

Man, just look at how athletic and with such good extension Levonas. I just love this pick.

 

[CheeseheadInQC]

This still feels a bit light (although I'm kind of a college first base skeptic). Now if they are still floating Whitney, that would put it over the top.

[Bulldogboy]

2 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Were you asking questions or stating your opinions as facts?

No more than you and everyone else here. Of course you seem to think everything you say is a fact. 😆 The thing is everything we say here is opinion. That's why we are here. 

[sveumrules]

Just now, Bulldogboy said:

No more than you and everyone else here. Of course you seem to think everything you say is a fact. 😆 

What did I say that was untrue?

[Bulldogboy]

1 minute ago, sveumrules said:

What did I say that was untrue?

What did I say that was untrue? Everything you say is an opinion same as me. They both have merit. You seem to think mine does not not. You are incorrect.