2024 Trade Deadline

[edfunderburk]

It should be time to remove the 3rd catcher now that the trade deadline has come & gone

I assume we will soon DFA Haase & lose him to a playoff contender looking for a good backup C

Would Hicklen or Black be a good replacement?

[LouisEly]

9 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Overall, I'm fine with not mortgaging any pieces from what should be a nice extended window opening up here in the next few years.

I will be interested to see how they plan on getting outs in the postseason, though. Hard to do bullpen games all the time. We really need Freddy to pick it up like he did in the 2nd half last year. 

Agree on the first sentence.  I just don't know that this is the year with not knowing how long Yelich will be out/if he needs surgery, Peralta underperforming, Woodruff and Gasser out for the year.  Not the year to go all-in; take some chances with some fringe guys for spare parts and see if you can get lucky.

Definitely need Freddy to get back to 2nd half of last year, but with the number of off days in the post-season plus the number of guys who can give them 3 good innings (Hall, Wilson, Ross, maybe Hudson but more like 2 with him, maybe Koenig) they can bullpen their 4th starter with two guys going once through the order each.

[wiguy94]

50 minutes ago, StearnsFTW said:

#8/#22 in their system.

That would've been Lara and Baez for us.

Mlb.com rankings.

 

I would've been fine with that.

Liranzo is a Top 100 prospect by multiple services. Switch hitting 21 year old catcher with 90th percentile EV of 108. That's plus/double plus power potential. Most comparable Brewers level prospect is Cooper Pratt.

[Jim French Stepstool]

40 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

This just in:

As I opined (and suspected) post-Wiemer in the Montas deal...Tyler Black is getting his first action in LF since the 2022 Arizona Fall League. I'll say it again: the OF grass certainly appears to be his best chance at becoming an MLB utility player. His athleticism really plays out there and the decisions have just a little more time to breathe. We need to see how he tracks and jumps and reads angles on a more consistent basis to make any truly informed proclamations but I've actually quite liked what I've seen in his limited exposure. This is an intriguing development happening on the fringes of the upper org depth chart(s).

Not to mention the guy he would be ostensibly replacing was largely DHing.

I saw he had a little run in CF recently. His being in LF now certainly has some significance. And that 'little more time to breathe' might just clear his head at the dish, too.

[Jim French Stepstool]

37 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

 Is my intuition and read on this situation accurate? 

I think it is. If he returns to Milwaukee I don't see much need for him at 1B, they're probably scared stiff to put him anywhere else in the INF (and rightfully so), so any need for him to bring along a glove if/when he arrives would most likely be in the OF. @Brewcrew82 is correct though, not much of a need there. That's why If he gets PT up here while Yelich is out I suspect they just plug him into the DH role.

[StearnsFTW]

14 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Liranzo is a Top 100 prospect by multiple services. Switch hitting 21 year old catcher with 90th percentile EV of 108. That's plus/double plus power potential. Most comparable Brewers level prospect is Cooper Pratt.

Yeah I knew it was an imperfect comparison.

[Jim French Stepstool]

27 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

Agree on the first sentence.  I just don't know that this is the year with not knowing how long Yelich will be out/if he needs surgery, Peralta underperforming, Woodruff and Gasser out for the year.  Not the year to go all-in; take some chances with some fringe guys for spare parts and see if you can get lucky.

Definitely need Freddy to get back to 2nd half of last year, but with the number of off days in the post-season plus the number of guys who can give them 3 good innings (Hall, Wilson, Ross, maybe Hudson but more like 2 with him, maybe Koenig) they can bullpen their 4th starter with two guys going once through the order each.

Yeah. Whatever damage they could do in the post-season has a 2018 feel to it, regarding bullpen usage. Be fortunate health-wise & there are a lot of people you can throw at an opponent. That's part of the reason I lamented losing Junis in the Montas deal.

[adambr2]

It just sucks that this deadline was just a bad fit for us, really. It was totally favored to sellers, but it was hard to sell 7 games up. But, hard to buy when you know you're not at full strength and won't be, so all you can really do is try not to weaken yourself for next year while still giving yourself a chance this year. 

Next year looks fun, ideally with :

- Healthy post-surgery Yelich 

- Healthy Devin

- Healthy Woodruff

- Healthy (at some point) Gasser

- Chourio full breakout?

 

I mean who am I kidding, most of these guys will end up not healthy anyway plus others I haven't even thought of yet, but on paper we should be even better. 

[BruisedCrew]

1 hour ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Overall, I'm fine with not mortgaging any pieces from what should be a nice extended window opening up here in the next few years.

I will be interested to see how they plan on getting outs in the postseason, though. Hard to do bullpen games all the time. We really need Freddy to pick it up like he did in the 2nd half last year. 

I’m interested to see how they plan to score enough runs to win games in the postseason with a lineup that has been one of the lowest run producers in the NL over the last two months and might be without its best hitter for the rest of the season.

[wallus]

My disappointment is that we didn't trade a reliever. No idea how they will manage this with all of the guys coming back. I suspect a bunch of IL stints conveniently timed.

[Devinep]

So the brewers, with like 3 SP and a floundering lineup now missing its best hitter, decided to make their top deadline move be giving up a pitcher for a worse pitcher? And throwing in a prospect to make that happen? Woof 

[Madhawk23]

Can someone please explain to me why Monasterio is STILL on this MLB roster following the trade deadline. Are you really telling me that a selling team didn’t have a 4th or 5th utility IF that we could have traded for without having to give up much in prospect capital? Simply mind boggling!

[sveumrules]

2 hours ago, BruisedCrew said:

I’m interested to see how they plan to score enough runs to win games in the postseason with a lineup that has been one of the lowest run producers in the NL over the last two months and might be without its best hitter for the rest of the season.

I’m seeing the Brewers smack dab in the middle of the NL for runs scored over the last two months.

Their twenty nine wins over the last two months are third in the NL ahead of both LAD and PHI.

[wallus]

32 minutes ago, Madhawk23 said:

Can someone please explain to me why Monasterio is STILL on this MLB roster following the trade deadline. Are you really telling me that a selling team didn’t have a 4th or 5th utility IF that we could have traded for without having to give up much in prospect capital? Simply mind boggling!

The middle infield and 3B play every day. Monasterios position isn't too important on the team.

[BruisedCrew]

1 hour ago, sveumrules said:

I’m seeing the Brewers smack dab in the middle of the NL for runs scored over the last two months.

Their twenty nine wins over the last two months are third in the NL ahead of both LAD and PHI.

This is affected significantly by exactly when you start the clock. 

When I commented on this in another thread I started after June 2 because that came at the end of the 6-1 homestand against the Cubs and White Sox in which the Brewers scored a ton of runs to rise to 2nd in MLB in runs scored.

By starting on May 30 you pick up an additional 4 wins and 32 runs. They may have risen slightly by scoring 14 runs on Sunday and yesterday, but the last time I looked they were 12th in the NL in runs scored since June 2. 

I guess instead of 2 months I should have said 8 weeks. If you change that start date from May 30 to June 3 I think you’ll find that the Brewers fall a few places.

[Devinep]

31 minutes ago, wallus said:

The middle infield and 3B play every day. Monasterios position isn't too important on the team.

Maybe they shouldn’t play every single day. Look how awful Ortiz and turang have been. It sure would be nice to have a decent player to give them a rest on occasion. And at least a guy who can hit lefties instead of Turang 

[brewcrewdue80]

What happens to Montas if the Brewers dfa him? Are they on the hook for his option salary? Or just the buyout?

Basically the FO chose sending 4 players off the 40man and took 2 back.  Who's filling the 2 spots they gained? Was Ross 1?

In a way I appreciate the non trading.  Freddy has 9 QS this year. Montas has 7.  Would rank #2. Just hanging on for the ride til end of season. Team was decimated with injuries. Lead the division and get Devin back. Maybe Yelich's back and uncertainty cemented not making a play at what was available to trade for. Let's play the season out and go from there.

[brewfanmn]

5 hours ago, BruisedCrew said:

This is affected significantly by exactly when you start the clock. 

When I commented on this in another thread I started after June 2 because that came at the end of the 6-1 homestand against the Cubs and White Sox in which the Brewers scored a ton of runs to rise to 2nd in MLB in runs scored.

By starting on May 30 you pick up an additional 4 wins and 32 runs. They may have risen slightly by scoring 14 runs on Sunday and yesterday, but the last time I looked they were 12th in the NL in runs scored since June 2. 

I guess instead of 2 months I should have said 8 weeks. If you change that start date from May 30 to June 3 I think you’ll find that the Brewers fall a few places.

What fundamentally changed about the team or players between May 30 and June 3? Do those games not count?

If you change the start date to “the start date of the season” I think you’ll find that the Brewers are the ~10th best offense in baseball

[torts]

Didn't look, but, anyone else happy for Erceg?  Traded to KC and could land the closer spot.  

[Playing Catch]

12 hours ago, adambr2 said:

Next year looks fun, ideally with :

- Healthy post-surgery Yelich 

- Healthy Devin

- Healthy Woodruff

- Healthy (at some point) Gasser

- Chourio full breakout?

I don't want to be a downer, but other than my belief that THIS year will be Chourio's breakout, All of the other things are questionable, except for Devin's health... and I believe Devin Williams will be traded this off-season.

Let's say Montas pitches really well for the Crew these last couple of months. Do the Brewers pick up the option? $14M. a $2M buyout according to Cot's.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

4 hours ago, brewfanmn said:

What fundamentally changed about the team or players between May 30 and June 3?

Doesn't fit the narrative. If you are going to make an argument about the team being bad, you cherry pick a bad stretch to point to.

[BruisedCrew]

20 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Doesn't fit the narrative. If you are going to make an argument about the team being bad, you cherry pick a bad stretch to point to.

This is no more cherry picking than what is frequently. done on these boards and in baseball analysis everywhere. 
 

Over the course of a long season, you will often hear a commentary about a team or player start with “Since date XYZ..” or “In his last X games…” When the point is to illustrate a positive trend, the commentator is going to start from a low point, and when it’s a negative trend they will start from a high point.

If you want to reject my comments out of hand because you have a knee jerk reaction to anything I post,  I would direct you to Tim Muma’s recent article which breaks down the decline in the Brewers offense in much more detail. He broke down his analysis by starting one day later than I did. I’m not sure why he chose that date, but the trend he is describing is just what I’m talking about. I don’t see you and your friends accusing him of cherry picking.

If you need to know what has fundamentally changed about the Brewers offense, and aren’t swayed by huge drops in production from several every day players, maybe you could consider the loss of the team’s most productive veteran hitter indefinitely, if not for the rest of the season.

[yfinn6]

The deadline feels like kind of a bust as a Brewer fan. I still think this team wins the division but they really need guys to step up and stop screwing around with empty at bats (easier said than done). They need more out of Peralta, too. 

That being said, I'm not sure I wanted to give up any of our prospects for what may or may not have been available; and again, I don't know who was really available or what level of discussions were had.

It feels like the window for this team is just getting open, and I think they'll eventually move prospects for a controllable player (maybe not to Yelich's quality in 2018 but similar?) next year or the year after. 

As far as our offense the last month, I have to think part of it is getting into the dog days of summer and some guys may just be getting tired and making strange adjustments to compensate. Not sure what to really make of it as I'm not about to do any type of film studying of players' hands or loading mechanisms. 

[TURBO]

1 hour ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Doesn't fit the narrative. If you are going to make an argument about the team being bad, you cherry pick a bad stretch to point to.

Goes both ways.  If you are going to make an argument for the team being average or above average, you can cherry pick for that too.

This board does a great job at all 3 when trying to prove a point. 

[Outlander]

I think the Brewers can still be active in August. While a lot of teams are in it right now with more playoff spots, teams will drop off in August and try to save some money. Looking at the Giants with the likes of Conforto and Canha.