Developed - Devin Williams to the Yankees for Nestor Cortes and Caleb Durbin

[Frisbee Slider]

Durbin had much higher SLG and ISO at upper levels of minor leagues compared to Frelick. That must account for at least something?

[brewcrewdue80]

It's an okay offseason deal being SP and RP closer in trade. I'd think a great DW would fetch just as much or more at the deadline.  Cortes I think this is a peak deal for him. His numbers at the deadline don't get a better deal.  

 

This Durbin I'm not fond of. Nobody should expect much if at all of on field play in the Majors.  The Yanks added him to the 40man to protect him for rule 5. He has below 300 games in the minors. How often do high OB minor guys work out? No pop which is easy to project at 5'-6".  To me that spells no fear from ML pitching resulting in significant drop in BBs.  I expect he goes to AAA and waits for an opening through injury. I'd 100pct expect Turang at SS for 2025 season. If Black can find a better bat like 2023 vs 2024, I'd pencil him for 2b.   A trio mix of he, Ortiz, and Monasterio can fill out 2b/3b

[adambr2]

59 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

I am still holding out hope that there is more to this. It seems like we are selling low. I get that Nestor has had some good seasons and has some ability to be a top of the rotation guy like 21 and 22 but he seems to have regressed. Looking at last year his fastball (92mph) and cutter were good but his sweeper and changeup were negatives so maybe we can do our magic there. I am sure I will warm up to Durbin but he seems like the 3rd piece we should get a team like the Yankees to throw in based on prospect status. There is a lot to like in te stats, especially the higher bb than k's. I just really am picturing an Oliver Dunn type player who at 5'6" is likely a 2B (sorry stereotyping him based on size). I guess I was really looking for someone to dream on here and it's really meh. If Nestor is good enough to turn down a QO and get us a comp pick this is fine but it doesn't seem like selling high for sure.

If we were selling low it’s because he only had only a year of control left. One year of any player simply isn’t worth as much as people value that player in a vacuum. People were underwhelmed with the Burnes return and he was one of the top aces in baseball. A reliever, even one of the best, is much further down on the food chain of value.

[MrTPlush]

32 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I am glad Williams is out the door. 

Right? Good riddance, this is a day to celebrate even if the return was a bag of dog poop.

2021 Postseason - Punched a wall and left his team high and dry.

2023 Postseason - Garbage

2024 - Missed most of season with a back injury.

2024 Postseason - Blew our Season

Back injury, punched a wall to screw his team, and garbage in the postseason. Not going to help garner a bunch of interest to get a high return. 

[TURBO]

1 hour ago, homer said:

Cortes is due to make $8.3 million for those scoring at home. Williams was due to make $8.4 million. Antuhnaseo is a cheep ass!

 

[sveumrules]

10 minutes ago, Frisbee Slider said:

Durbin had much higher SLG and ISO at upper levels of minor leagues compared to Frelick. That must account for at least something?

Sal was in AA/AAA at age 22 and AAA/MLB at age 23, versus Durbin in A+/AA at age 23 and AA/AAA at age 24 so the age difference has to be taken into account.

Also would have to check the park factors for their respective AA/AAA parks for a little more insight. Believe BA or BPro does them every so often, but I'm not a subscriber.

Just from a visual standpoint Durbin looks stockier/stronger than Sal so hopefully that bodes well for his future power production.

[Frisbee Slider]

3 minutes ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

No pop which is easy to project at 5'-6". 

Altuve has 229 career HR. 
 

.451 SLG last year for Durbin isn’t nothing.

[StearnsFTW]

1 hour ago, jay87shot said:

Cortez isn't better than Devin, he throws 92mph with poor secondary pitches. I think I read Devin is projected 8.3 on Nestor is 8.4. If you want to say that is saving money go for it but come that is a wash. Devin has been one of the best relievers the past 5 years, Nestor is more like a weak #3/good #4. Don't let sour grapes from the Alonso HR change this.

If they're both healthy,  there's very little chance that Williams is more valuable than Cortes.

 

And I'd put the chances of the Brewers flipping Cortes at near zero as well.

If Cortes pitches likes he did in 2022, he's going to get 9 figures from someone.

 

Add in Durbin and this is a home run for me.

[narwhalattack]

I’m pretty lukewarm about this trade. A solid starter and a guy with a profile the FO seemed to have somewhat of a fixation with in the past- a versatile utility guy who can get on base but has very little pop. Not exactly blowing my mind but I wasn’t really expecting a whole lot out of a trade involving a reliever.

[snoogans8056]

14 minutes ago, StearnsFTW said:

If Cortes pitches likes he did in 2022, he's going to get 9 figures from someone.

Which would mean a first round pick for us.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that we asked for that draft pick in the Burnes deal. We must put a lot of value in those comp picks, and the draft money flexibility that comes with it.

Would be three straight years of having an extra first rounder or two.

[TURBO]

meh

I was hoping for a lot more, but knew that wouldn't happen.

Just a big giant meh and a sigh for me.

A starting #3 pitcher that could be injured, with one year of control remaining, and a 5'6" guy who can't hit the ball hard?

Feels to me like we have a bunch of guys here doing their best to talk themselves into the fact that this is a good trade.  Meh.

This trade screams "this is the best we can get" for a guy that apparently no one else was willing to give up any better for.

I guess we are lucky we got what we did, but in the end, this is just meh.

[homer]

24 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

Right? Good riddance, this is a day to celebrate even if the return was a bag of dog poop.

2021 Postseason - Punched a wall and left his team high and dry.

2023 Postseason - Garbage

2024 - Missed most of season with a back injury.

2024 Postseason - Blew our Season

Back injury, punched a wall to screw his team, and garbage in the postseason. Not going to help garner a bunch of interest to get a high return. 

no GM is going to look at 2 and 1/3 innings of playoff performances

[OldSchoolSnapper]

27 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

Right? Good riddance, this is a day to celebrate even if the return was a bag of dog poop.

2021 Postseason - Punched a wall and left his team high and dry.

2023 Postseason - Garbage

2024 - Missed most of season with a back injury.

2024 Postseason - Blew our Season

Back injury, punched a wall to screw his team, and garbage in the postseason. Not going to help garner a bunch of interest to get a high return. 

That is kind of how I feel about him. The numbers don't lie, he's an effective player, so I temper what I say appropriately. But I didn't like him. I never felt confident with him, and I think he's a headcase.

[owbc]

6 minutes ago, homer said:

no GM is going to look at 2 and 1/3 innings of playoff performances

Of course not. And the numbers surely say that his future postseason performances will regress toward his career means. 

But putting analytics aside and knowing Devin's track record, would you bet on that happening? In a Yankees uniform? In that media market? 

On the flip side, as a degenerate fan of the Brewers, I don't know if I can handle another blown save in a postseason elimination game and that surely clouds my thinking on the matter. 

[torts]

I feel bad for Devin and his neck beard 😔 

[Frisbee Slider]

We didn’t love Burnes trade until it ended up being good or fine.

[brewcrewdue80]

37 minutes ago, Frisbee Slider said:

Altuve has 229 career HR. 
 

.451 SLG last year for Durbin isn’t nothing.

Altuve has 14 seasons to his name that began at age 21.

 

You want to get excited on durbin over 90 milb games at AAA doing it for the 1st time at age 24?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

19 minutes ago, TURBO said:

Feels to me like we have a bunch of guys here doing their best to talk themselves into the fact that this is a good trade.  Meh.

I think moreso its a bunch of guys with belief in a front office which has made many, many more moves which can be described as "shrewd" than not.

[markedman5]

 

[markedman5]

 

[tmwiese55]

1 minute ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Altuve has 14 seasons to his name that began at age 21.

 

You want to get excited on durbin over 90 milb games at AAA doing it for the 1st time at age 24?

And that there is next to no other examples at this type of size.  Sure its possible and all for people that size, but Altuve is certainly the rarity or the exception.  

It would be like saying " you know I don't think this 5'6 college basketball player is likely to make it in the NBA" and the response is "yea but Muggsy Bogues did". 

[markedman5]

23 minutes ago, TURBO said:

meh

I was hoping for a lot more, but knew that wouldn't happen.

Just a big giant meh and a sigh for me.

A starting #3 pitcher that could be injured, with one year of control remaining, and a 5'6" guy who can't hit the ball hard?

Feels to me like we have a bunch of guys here doing their best to talk themselves into the fact that this is a good trade.  Meh.

This trade screams "this is the best we can get" for a guy that apparently no one else was willing to give up any better for.

I guess we are lucky we got what we did, but in the end, this is just meh.

Maybe people are just tired of trashing brewers trades in the immediate aftermath and then looking silly months or years later? 

[TURBO]

3 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

I think moreso its a bunch of guys with belief in a front office which has made many, many more moves which can be described as "shrewd" than not.

No sweat, the world needs company men...

[adambr2]

Here’s something wild to think about it:

Back in 2016, the Cubs traded the #24 prospect in ALL of BASEBALL and 3 other prospects to RENT Aroldis Chapman for 2 months.

You’d be laughed off the phone if you asked for that kind of return for a reliever rental these days. Valuation sure has changed.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

1 minute ago, TURBO said:

No sweat, the world needs company men...