Spring training updates

[jesusoftheapes]

11 minutes ago, yfinn6 said:

You're..   quoting yourself?! I guess you could theoretically argue with yourself all day. 

Finding the interview from that would take a reviewing of the entire game . . I will do this later and post the interview so you can get clarity and understand why people say Pat Murphy hates Tyler Black.    I have to watch a game we lost last season just to prove a point here?   I am going to do it  just for you so you can be a more informed fan who knows the interview and what was said.       I think your blind faith that this is not the case is hilarious though.       

[wiguy94]

5 minutes ago, jesusoftheapes said:

Finding the interview from that would take a reviewing of the entire game . . I will do this later and post the interview so you can get clarity and understand why people say Pat Murphy hates Tyler Black.    I have to watch a game we lost last season just to prove a point here?   I am going to do it  just for you so you can be a more informed fan who knows the interview and what was said.       I think your blind faith that this is not the case is hilarious though.       

People do not say Pat Murphy hates Tyler Black. You say it.

[yfinn6]

10 minutes ago, jesusoftheapes said:

Finding the interview from that would take a reviewing of the entire game . . I will do this later and post the interview so you can get clarity and understand why people say Pat Murphy hates Tyler Black.    I have to watch a game we lost last season just to prove a point here?   I am going to do it  just for you so you can be a more informed fan who knows the interview and what was said.       I think your blind faith that this is not the case is hilarious though.       

I don't have an opinion on whether or not Murphy "hates" Black no matter how much you'd like to assign that position to me. 

 

[TURBO]

1 hour ago, jesusoftheapes said:

watch the interview Murphy gave last season about Tyler Black on the sidelines of the Padres game.    Pat Murphy outright said he hated Tyler Black in so many words.  He also followed that up the next time Black got his first RBI in MLB action in the postgame interview and bashed Tyler Black again.   I am not making this up . I just watched the 2024 season and listened to what Murphy had to say about Black .       Murphy HATES Tyler Black and was very open about it anytime he was asked in 2024.     Not a secret.    

You do not go from the hottest prospect in the Brewers system with nothing but positive hype like Black had under Craig to being a fringe prospect with so many problems he may never make any Brewers roster for any amount of time under Pat Murphy unless the Coach has a different personal opinion of the player than the previous Manager had.  Tyler Black went from the next big shoe to drop in the call ups to the biggest joke in Milwaukee in one season where he did not fall off that much in production.         The entire 2024 season for Black was a result of Murphy holding him back when it was supposed to be his big break season.       

Pat Murphy has not problem complimenting the players he likes including Jake Bauers who he gave Tyler's job to instantly and only carried a .199 Batting Average all season long and was never replaced by Black for more than 1 series.      Pat HATES Tyler Black .    All you need to do to understand this is listen to Pat speak about him.        Pat went out of this way in front of cameras to make sure that everyone knew he hated Tyler Black.    I mean the Dugout interview he gave against the Padres he completely bashed Tyler and held nothing back .   I am not making this up it was what Pat said and he said it 2 different times  through 2024 that I caught personally in his interviews and I am assuming there have to be more instances like this that I missed .    He made no bones about telling everyone he disliked Tyler Black in 2024 and I highly doubt that went away in 2025.   

Maybe though. 

This nonsense again?

 

[homer]

2 hours ago, jesusoftheapes said:

Finding the interview from that would take a reviewing of the entire game . . I will do this later and post the interview so you can get clarity and understand why people say Pat Murphy hates Tyler Black.    I have to watch a game we lost last season just to prove a point here?   I am going to do it  just for you so you can be a more informed fan who knows the interview and what was said.       I think your blind faith that this is not the case is hilarious though.       

Yes. You are claiming Murphy "hates the guy" and said it on camera. No one else heard this, so it is up to you to bring the proof. I am confused as to why this confuses you.

[Lathund]

This also all started because of the claim that Black wasn't playing not because of a minor injury, but because Murphy disliked him. No matter what Murph thought of Black, if he was healthy he would be playing in ST. No matter if he was slated to be the starter, backup, AAA depth or likely to be DFA/traded. 

[Jim Goulart]

13 hours ago, jesusoftheapes said:

Finding the interview from that would take a reviewing of the entire game . . I will do this later and post the interview so you can get clarity and understand why people say Pat Murphy hates Tyler Black.    I have to watch a game we lost last season just to prove a point here?   I am going to do it  just for you so you can be a more informed fan who knows the interview and what was said.       I think your blind faith that this is not the case is hilarious though.       

Tell us the date. I have the MLB.TV package and will sift through the archive for you. There is not going to be a standalone link available for posting, but I could transcribe the comments related to Black and then also link with a time stamp to the archived game for those with access.

One would think that Murph's "hatred for Black" would have been quite the talking point among the entire Brewers webisphere last season, but apparently the entire fandom has erased the manager's comments from their memories while you somehow retained them.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

14 hours ago, jesusoftheapes said:

After Sal, Turang and Chourio . Black was touted as the next big prospect to be coming up after them and it is not even up for debate .  That is how he was being sold to us with Craig in charge.   When PAt took over Black went from next big prospect to come out of that group to the guy who won't be helping the Brewers anytime soon.   

It is pretty obvious that the entire way the Brewers want to promote Black has changed 180 degrees under Pat.   

I mean if you did not hear the Tyler Black hype train before the 2024 season started you were not listening.    It was very real and very much the next player we were supposed to see make the jump and that has not happened because his defense  is that bad.  They are starting Hoskins at 1st!   The idea that Black is worse than that is a laugh.   Hoskins has always been a - defender at 1st his entire career.   Bauers is a little better at 1st but Tyler Black is no worse  than these players on defense and people need to stop saying this over and over again like it is the truth because it is not.   

Tyler Black does not have a massive lack of defensive stats in the positive nor does he carry a massive amount of personal errors beyond anyone in his situation at least and is being talked about as if he is incapable of playing defense at all when its not the player I have watched.   Tyler Black is not going to win Golden Gloves but he is also not as bad as Rhys Hoskins or Jake Bauers are on 1st base defending.  

You can argue about it all you want but the Tyler Black hype train was real right up and until Pat Murphy took over in charge . Now he is a guy who may never see the field in Milwaukee for any real amount of time.   Pat hates the guy .   That is his prerogative as manager to like and dislike the players he wants on his roster.      I have 0 issues with Murphy putting the prospects he likes together and washing out the prospects that were the previous Managers favorites and not his own.      

Complete fiction

[Frisbee Slider]

Tyler Black batted 2nd, 3rd or cleanup for 66% of his plate appearances last year in Milwaukee. He was the #9 hitter for only one plate appearance.

Pat Murphy has a strange way of demonstrating a lack of confidence in Tyler Black. 

[CheeseheadInQC]

15 hours ago, jesusoftheapes said:

After Sal, Turang and Chourio . Black was touted as the next big prospect to be coming up after them and it is not even up for debate .  That is how he was being sold to us with Craig in charge.   When PAt took over Black went from next big prospect to come out of that group to the guy who won't be helping the Brewers anytime soon.   

It is pretty obvious that the entire way the Brewers want to promote Black has changed 180 degrees under Pat.   

I mean if you did not hear the Tyler Black hype train before the 2024 season started you were not listening.    It was very real and very much the next player we were supposed to see make the jump and that has not happened because his defense  is that bad.  They are starting Hoskins at 1st!   The idea that Black is worse than that is a laugh.   Hoskins has always been a - defender at 1st his entire career.   Bauers is a little better at 1st but Tyler Black is no worse  than these players on defense and people need to stop saying this over and over again like it is the truth because it is not.   

Tyler Black does not have a massive lack of defensive stats in the positive nor does he carry a massive amount of personal errors beyond anyone in his situation at least and is being talked about as if he is incapable of playing defense at all when its not the player I have watched.   Tyler Black is not going to win Golden Gloves but he is also not as bad as Rhys Hoskins or Jake Bauers are on 1st base defending.  

You can argue about it all you want but the Tyler Black hype train was real right up and until Pat Murphy took over in charge . Now he is a guy who may never see the field in Milwaukee for any real amount of time.   Pat hates the guy .   That is his prerogative as manager to like and dislike the players he wants on his roster.      I have 0 issues with Murphy putting the prospects he likes together and washing out the prospects that were the previous Managers favorites and not his own.      

Black’s fall had more to do with the fact that early on there was optimism that he was athletic enough to make it work at second or third. Once it became apparent that, despite his athleticism, it just might not work at those spots, he started to fall. 

[wildcat2237]

Spring training report here. I attended the game yesterday against the Giants in Scottsdale. Generally a stinker of a game. A couple positives to report: 1. Deivi Garcia was the positive of the game. Pitched two innings and made easy work of Giants minor leaguers late in the game. 2. Dunn and Durbin continue to hit the ball hard. There is clearly a battle for the 3b job. 

[bensheeps]

Is this lineup on March 1st the same we will see on opening day at Yankee Stadium?

[wiguy94]

5 minutes ago, bensheeps said:

Is this lineup on March 1st the same we will see on opening day at Yankee Stadium?

My first thought when seeing it was this could definitely be the opening day position player lineup.

[liveforoctober]

19 hours ago, jesusoftheapes said:

well you cannot quote a dislike and it needed to be said .  Here is a quote.  Pat Murphy, the manager of the Milwaukee Brewers, has publicly stated that he is "hard on" Tyler Black, " criticizing him when he makes mistakes more than other guys here" and says "some guys get better coaching when you are mean to them" - Pat Murphy from dugout of Padres series /6/22/2024 

I say this as respectfully as possible, but your interpretation of this quote makes me think you have never played or coached at a high school level or higher program before. The reason I say this is because people respond differently to different styles of coaching and a good coach recognizes that and delivers it.

For some people to maximize their potential they need to have an arm around their shoulder and to be told they are doing amazing when they are down. Other people need to be doubted and challenged in those moments, etc

I'm not saying you are wrong - but if I read this quote independent of everything else ... my take on it is that Murphy has identified how he feels Black can be most successful and is operating in that manner.

[sveumrules]

I do like Chourio in the leadoff spot over Turang if that is how they end up going.

FanGraphs has league batting order splits going back to 2002 and it’s kind of interesting looking at how the league has approached that spot over the last twenty years.

League Average Leadoff wRC+ 

2002-07: 93, 93, 98, 99, 97, 99 (climbing towards average)

2008-15: 101, 101, 94, 100, 96, 100, 102, 101 (cromulence mostly achieved)

2016-20: 105, 99, 105, 104, 105 (starting to see some 105’s in there)

2021-24: 107, 103, 111, 108 (lil dip in 2022, but otherwise 105 has been left behind)

It has gotten to the point where in each of the last two years the league average leadoff hitter (111 and 108 wRC+) has been better than the league average clean up hitter (108 and 106 wRC+).

[duewizard]

Scheduled to pitch today after Myers: Misiorowski, Connor Thomas, Mears, Nittoli

[wallus]

1 hour ago, sveumrules said:

I do like Chourio in the leadoff spot over Turang if that is how they end up going.

Turang should firmly be the 9th batter in our lineup. No reason whatsoever to have him lead off.

[wiguy94]

2 hours ago, sveumrules said:

I do like Chourio in the leadoff spot over Turang if that is how they end up going.

FanGraphs has league batting order splits going back to 2002 and it’s kind of interesting looking at how the league has approached that spot over the last twenty years.

League Average Leadoff wRC+ 

2002-07: 93, 93, 98, 99, 97, 99 (climbing towards average)

2008-15: 101, 101, 94, 100, 96, 100, 102, 101 (cromulence mostly achieved)

2016-20: 105, 99, 105, 104, 105 (starting to see some 105’s in there)

2021-24: 107, 103, 111, 108 (lil dip in 2022, but otherwise 105 has been left behind)

It has gotten to the point where in each of the last two years the league average leadoff hitter (111 and 108 wRC+) has been better than the league average clean up hitter (108 and 106 wRC+).

Agreed. I hope they don't shoehorn Turang into the leadoff spot. This 1-5 would be my 1-5 on opening day then you could adjust based on how the year goes.

[markedman5]

Turang goes yard…….nice.

[markedman5]

4 hours ago, wildcat2237 said:

Spring training report here. I attended the game yesterday against the Giants in Scottsdale. Generally a stinker of a game. A couple positives to report: 1. Deivi Garcia was the positive of the game. Pitched two innings and made easy work of Giants minor leaguers late in the game. 2. Dunn and Durbin continue to hit the ball hard. There is clearly a battle for the 3b job. 

That’s all good info……but what we really want to know is did Murphy punch Tyler Black at any time before, during or after the game? 😎

[markedman5]

Mis not fooling anyone in his first 2 batters

line single and a 2 run bomb…….settles down and retires the next 3 with 1 k.

[markedman5]

Hoskins and Ortiz join the party.

[markedman5]

Contreras hits a tape measure shot…….wind might be blowing out.

[jesusoftheapes]

7 hours ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

Black’s fall had more to do with the fact that early on there was optimism that he was athletic enough to make it work at second or third. Once it became apparent that, despite his athleticism, it just might not work at those spots, he started to fall. 

That is fine . I tend to believe That the sudden change happened when Managers flipped sides.     Tyler Black has not fallen out in play much he just is not well liked by the new guy in charge and was a darling of the previous manager.       The difference is Managers seems like the big tipping point for Black to me but I get why you all do not want this to be true and have your own ideas for what the situation is.  I understand your point of view but tend to see it my way on this one.  I can have that opinion even if some of the other people(
not you)  who post here do not like  that opinion and what is great about conversation is you can also hold your point of view and both of us can get along after that .  You know?  Adult conversations.  .       

Those other posters on here do not understand LIKE Vs Dislike concepts in forums.   Dislike is not something you do for simply disagreeing with another person.     

 

You see they do not understand that disliking a post should be ONLY if you offend the person personally , or you are posting off colored jokes that can be offensive to some or calling a person out personally online in front of everyone.      So many people here see something they do not want to see or that they simply disagree with to the point they dislike someone else's post .. This is how spoiled  children act in conversations not adults.   You see you posted and I disagreed with how you see this topic and I did nothing to sully your name or reputation and I certainly did not dislike your opinion because as an adult I know that you and I can have independant ideas about a thing.    I believe(as do most adult Americans)  in Free Speach and conversations.   There is a group of folks who post here that have the mentality of the Reich when it comes to open conversations in this forum.      I appreciate you are not one of those people!     

I much better to let open topics flow freely and if you disagree do what this poster did . Posting is about conversations not about smearing anyone you disagree with like many who haunt this forum.   If you disagree with a post then tell me why you believe something else on any topic and that is how conversation works and I appreciate you for doing it right!     

Those people who post here and love to drop DISLIKES on things they disagree with on topics of OPINION were probably the most spoiled children of the group.       Thank you for not being them. 

[jesusoftheapes]

48 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

Mis not fooling anyone in his first 2 batters

line single and a 2 run bomb…….settles down and retires the next 3 with 1 k.

And that is the Misiorowski show in a nutshell.. .