2022 Trade Market

[sveumrules]

2 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

The fact is we didn’t have to take Renfroe back to get rid of Jackie. 

Your opinion is we didn't have to take Renfroe back to get rid of Jackie. The Red Sox have a budget too, so taking on 17.5 million for JBJ likely required sending money back in the deal or no deal at all.

If Castellanos is full time DH that means Yelich/Cain/Taylor are full time OF and we have no 4th OF. Yelich has injury/performance issues, Cain has injury/performance issues, Taylor has never played a full season. What is your solution?

Sure, Castellanos offers more with the bat than Cutch/Renfroe, but his brutal D also limits roster flexibility (which Stearns & company clearly value), would have pushed payroll beyond what is already an OD record which also limits in season flexibility (another thing Stearns & company clearly value) & would have eaten into available payroll for four more years (when it will become increasingly valuable to have that payroll space available).

[nate82]

There were two trades for JBJ that the Brewers had available to them.  The one they accepted and the other being with the Padres.  The Padres trade would have been Meyers for JBJ.

The Brewers were going to get a bad contract back no matter who they traded with.  There were zero known trades where the Brewers could have dumped JBJ and not have taken on some salary.  

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

1 hour ago, brewers888 said:

Why does anyone think we had to take Renfroe back in the Bradley deal when Boston just as easily could have done the deal without him involved and non tendered Hunter after the deal. We clearly wanted the player and I think it was a mistake.

Sure as heck makes me glad that David Stearns is running this team and not you. I simply cannot believe how you have managed to hate Hunter Renfroe simply because you want to continue ripping on the Brewers for not building the offense in the image you want. It's an odd hill to die on, that's for sure.

[brewers888]

40 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Sure as heck makes me glad that David Stearns is running this team and not you. I simply cannot believe how you have managed to hate Hunter Renfroe simply because you want to continue ripping on the Brewers for not building the offense in the image you want. It's an odd hill to die on, that's for sure.

Its not a matter of hating Renfroe or McCutchen. The fact is this team needed a major offensive upgrade and neither of these players offers that upside. 

If this team makes the playoffs which it certainly can they will more than likely be the weakest offense in the playoffs. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

1 minute ago, brewers888 said:

Its not a matter of hating Renfroe or McCutchen. The fact is this team needed a major offensive upgrade and neither of these players offers that upside. 

If this team makes the playoffs which it certainly can they will more than likely be the weakest offense in the playoffs. 

It is likely that the Brewers themselves didn't feel a major upgrade was warranted, or perhaps even possible. There was no quick fix for this offense. It was always going to take Yelich not being terrible, and major improvement from guys like Hiura, along with Adames and Urias continuing to improve. If you would have added Castellanos to this current offense, it wouldn't make much of a difference. The lineup is the sum of its parts, not one dude who is going to hit .280 with 30 dingers surrounded by a bunch of crap. It isn't a matter of "add a dude and win a World Series."

 

[sveumrules]

6 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

It is likely that the Brewers themselves didn't feel a major upgrade was warranted, or perhaps even possible. There was no quick fix for this offense. It was always going to take Yelich not being terrible, and major improvement from guys like Hiura, along with Adames and Urias continuing to improve. If you would have added Castellanos to this current offense, it wouldn't make much of a difference. The lineup is the sum of its parts, not one dude who is going to hit .280 with 30 dingers surrounded by a bunch of crap. It isn't a matter of "add a dude and win a World Series."

 

Yup. If the offense truly is as bad as many say it is, Balco Bonds wouldn’t be enough to put it over the top, much less Castellanos.

[KeithStone53151]

22 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Signing Castellanos (if even realistically possible) would have been a very "put all your eggs in one basket move" and we have plenty of evidence now to know that just isn't how Stearns & company operate.

Signing Castellanos is basically what the Cubs did over and over again with their terrible signings that turned what should have been 3-4 years of world series appearances and 6-7 year of playoff contention into less than half that. And now the Cubs suck and will likely suck for a while, which is absolutely embarrassing for a large market with the deck stacked so heavily in their favor...

[KeithStone53151]

16 hours ago, brewers888 said:

Its not a matter of hating Renfroe or McCutchen. The fact is this team needed a major offensive upgrade and neither of these players offers that upside. 

If this team makes the playoffs which it certainly can they will more than likely be the weakest offense in the playoffs. 

There are 5 months left in the season, and the advantage of having a number of younger starting position players with upside is there's a pretty reasonable chance they improve throughout the year. Imagine if Adames or Urias turned a corner like Yelich did in the 2nd half of 2018...

[Tbadder]

As a fan I can’t say that I’m not worried about the outfield situation. But all of us knew that Cain’s last year might look ugly, and all of us are hoping for the return of Yeli, and that Hunter has never been anything but himself, and that maybe Taylor might be our second best outfielder. And geez, if I keep thinking about it I just know I won’t sleep that well tonight. Come on Sal! Go Garret! Keep exploding Joey! 
 

*patience sucks

[stalton]

29 minutes ago, Tbadder said:

As a fan I can’t say that I’m not worried about the outfield situation. But all of us knew that Cain’s last year might look ugly, and all of us are hoping for the return of Yeli, and that Hunter has never been anything but himself, and that maybe Taylor might be our second best outfielder. And geez, if I keep thinking about it I just know I won’t sleep that well tonight. Come on Sal! Go Garret! Keep exploding Joey! 
 

*patience sucks

This makes me wonder how many players on contracts 5 years or more actually have a productive final year of their contract. I would think most teams understand the last year (or more) would be non functional.

[Brock Beauchamp]

1 hour ago, stalton said:

This makes me wonder how many players on contracts 5 years or more actually have a productive final year of their contract. I would think most teams understand the last year (or more) would be non functional.

Yeah, I think the front office will be grateful for anything they get out of Cain in his age 36 walk year. And Cain was pretty good last season, hopefully he rebounds a little this year and is above replacement level.

[nate82]

Can't believe I forgot about Josh Bell.  I think we can add him to the list of possible trade targets.  

[Underachiever]

20 hours ago, nate82 said:

Can't believe I forgot about Josh Bell.  I think we can add him to the list of possible trade targets.  

Off to a good start this season. Making 10 million. I vote yes. Probably a game of chicken with him where you balance the remaining money owed to him and the likelihood of another team jumping ahead of you. 

[sveumrules]

I think there are probably like a dozen or so teams I’d have on my Seller Watch List right now…

BAL, TEX, OAK, KC, DET, PIT, WAS, ARI, COL, CIN, CHC and MIA.

Dark horse sellers could be PHI, BOS & CHW who are off to slow starts despite the 4th, 6th & 7th highest OD payrolls.

Scanning some teams one name that caught my eye was long coveted DBacks DH Seth Beer with a 150 OPS+ in the early going.

[Oxy]

Remember that the WS champion last year won because they picked up Eddie Rosario, Joc Pederson and Jorge Soler.  Basically guys the caliber of Renfroe or Avi Garcia.

[Brewcrew82]

Definitely worth monitoring whether the Red Sox can eventually "right the ship" in that division. I would trade just about any of our prospects for a shot at Devers and Bogaerts. Even a guy like J.D. Martinez would be well-worth kicking the tires on in my opinion. 

[brewers888]

On 4/29/2022 at 6:16 PM, Brewcrew82 said:

Definitely worth monitoring whether the Red Sox can eventually "right the ship" in that division. I would trade just about any of our prospects for a shot at Devers and Bogaerts. Even a guy like J.D. Martinez would be well-worth kicking the tires on in my opinion. 

How many years does Martinez have on his deal because I think he would be a perfect fit in this lineup and allow McCutchen to only start against lefties.

[brewers888]

How about a deal involving Kelenic coming home for Garrett Mitchell

[nate82]

5 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

How about a deal involving Kelenic coming home for Garrett Mitchell

No thanks.  Kelenic is currently has a K% at 40.8%.  I don't see that as a good trade for Mitchell in fact I think Mitchell could put up better numbers right now than Kelenic.  Kelenic is actually playing worse than Wong is right now so I don't see how he would help the Brewers at all.  That would just be a horrible trade for the Brewers and a waste of an asset trading Mitchell for Kelenic. 

6 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

How many years does Martinez have on his deal because I think he would be a perfect fit in this lineup and allow McCutchen to only start against lefties.

Martinez is on the last year of his deal.  If the Red Sox are out of the running for a playoff spot he shouldn't cost all that much but that would be a deadline deal.  I doubt the Red Sox would be willing to deal someone on their roster now unless they are getting someone back that can help their roster now like an Ashby or Houser (not saying Martinez for Ashby/Houser).  

[Brewcrew82]

15 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

How many years does Martinez have on his deal because I think he would be a perfect fit in this lineup and allow McCutchen to only start against lefties.

Martinez is only signed through this season, so you're right in that he could be a good fit. However, the fact that he also hits right-handed and is pretty much unable to play in the field anymore must be considered, too. I would be interested for the right price. 

[Brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, nate82 said:

No thanks.  Kelenic is currently has a K% at 40.8%.  I don't see that as a good trade for Mitchell in fact I think Mitchell could put up better numbers right now than Kelenic.  Kelenic is actually playing worse than Wong is right now so I don't see how he would help the Brewers at all.  That would just be a horrible trade for the Brewers and a waste of an asset trading Mitchell for Kelenic. 

Martinez is on the last year of his deal.  If the Red Sox are out of the running for a playoff spot he shouldn't cost all that much but that would be a deadline deal.  I doubt the Red Sox would be willing to deal someone on their roster now unless they are getting someone back that can help their roster now like an Ashby or Houser (not saying Martinez for Ashby/Houser).  

Yeah, it's getting close to the point where Kelenic for Hiura would be a fair deal, with just about the only thing going for Kelenic being his limited # of major league at bats and his relatively recent prospect shine. And even Hiura has had more established success in the major leagues than anything Kelenic has shown thus far. 

[jay87shot]

I would think we should look more at CF. Cedric Mullins and Bryan Reynolds haven't been great and neither team would trade either at a discount.

Mullins for Ashby (maybe a lower end prospect or 2)?   Reynolds for Mitchell, Small, and a PTBNL or 2 lower end prospects?

Is there a team that is contending that would do a big league swap of hitting for pitching? Most teams are in the same spot as us, lack of hitting. We have enough depth but really could use a middle of the order bat. I know 3 team trade rarely work but what about these

We get Donaldson from Yanks and Reynolds from Pirates, Yanks get Wong and Houser, Pirates get Huira,  Mitchell, Gleybar Torres and a higher ranked prospect from the yanks.

We get 2 middle of the order bats including extra years of service with Reynolds without throwing in a high end piece. The Yanks upgrade up the middle and the rotation. The Pirates get 2 higher potential play now with pieces and 2 prospects.

[titletownking]

8 hours ago, jay87shot said:

I would think we should look more at CF. Cedric Mullins and Bryan Reynolds haven't been great and neither team would trade either at a discount.

Mullins for Ashby (maybe a lower end prospect or 2)?   Reynolds for Mitchell, Small, and a PTBNL or 2 lower end prospects?

Is there a team that is contending that would do a big league swap of hitting for pitching? Most teams are in the same spot as us, lack of hitting. We have enough depth but really could use a middle of the order bat. I know 3 team trade rarely work but what about these

We get Donaldson from Yanks and Reynolds from Pirates, Yanks get Wong and Houser, Pirates get Huira,  Mitchell, Gleybar Torres and a higher ranked prospect from the yanks.

We get 2 middle of the order bats including extra years of service with Reynolds without throwing in a high end piece. The Yanks upgrade up the middle and the rotation. The Pirates get 2 higher potential play now with pieces and 2 prospects.

From a roster standpoint, we’re about 1-2 good bats away and a good pen arm away from a World Series. I say 1-2 bats because I believe they need a bat in centerfield and a decent platoon DH bat. 

[Brewcrew51T]

I'd be very curious to see who the DH is by the end of the year. Seems like the best option to add an impact bat on an expiring deal. Could also see some added insurance for a guy who can play 3B/1B and have that DH spot go towards a defensive rest day for Urias/Adames/Wong/Tellez, etc. Brewers always seem to find a diamond in the rough in terms of relief help at the deadline, so I'd figure a smaller name or two being added there.

[Roderick]

On 4/24/2022 at 1:50 PM, wallus said:

I still think part of the strategy is to coast along until the deadline and pick up someone that is available for a reasonable cost like Escobar last year. If you are a team that is very likely to make the playoffs and have payroll constraints, it isn't the worst strategy to save some money. 

Yes, keep back some payroll budget for the midseason pickups.  Allows you to see which player(s) aren't producing / injured.