2022 Trade Market

[Roderick]

2 hours ago, nate82 said:

Another possible trade could be with the Orioles where the Brewers could add bullpen depth and a DH.

Brewers get: Mancini and Jorge Lopez

Orioles get: Garcia (SS), Gray (OF), Erceg (RHP) and Lazar (RHP)

Lopez would fill in the bullpen as the 6th or 7th inning piece and Mancini would fill in at DH, 1B or LF.  Mancini currently has a slash line of .305/.377/.437.  This would be the offensive improvement the Brewers would need at DH and LF that they are currently missing. 

I would think the Orioles would want more than that coming in.  Erceg probably has to be on the 40 man next year, right?  

[brewmann04]

Any chance some teams willing to take on Hiura ?

[nate82]

55 minutes ago, wntrtxn21 said:

Is this the same Gallo who is hitting .176/.247 and strikingout almost 40% of his PAs? The Brewers have plenty of high whiff guys who are under achieving. They don't need Gallo especially if it means losing a prospect or a pick.  Now the deal with the O's I think Stearns would jump on immediately. A definite upgrade over Hiura and some pen help for low level prospects.  Bohm's immaturity bothers me.  He doesn't have a lot of power for a 3B, but it would allow Urias to go to 2B. I think I'd set my sight a little higher, but not rule him out. 

The Cain and Gallo deal would be so the Brewers could get out of Cain's contract and take on someone with a higher contract like a J.D. Martinez.  Gallo's value may become less and the Brewers wouldn't have to include a comp pick but I think a prospect would have to go in the deal.  I don't think it would be anyone better than Gray though.  

There are plenty of immature players and what Bohm said I don't really find all that bad as Philly can be a rather horrible place to play.  The Philly fans can be overly condescending and overly brutal on the players.  There is criticism and then there is the Philly criticism which goes over the top.  The criticism goes further than any other city including New York, Boston and Chicago where the fans outright revolt against players and managers.  Philly takes what other fans do and multiplies it by a million.  If I were a player you would have to pay me extra just to consider playing in Philly.  

40 minutes ago, Roderick said:

I would think the Orioles would want more than that coming in.  Erceg probably has to be on the 40 man next year, right?  

Possibly they would want more but I don't think they get much more for Lopez and Mancini.  While they are having good years they are not superstars who will bring back a lot of prospects.  Mancini for Garcia and Erceg is rather fair maybe a little bit more than what Mancini is worth.  Gray and Lazar is probably an overpay but relievers tend to get more than what they are worth during the deadline.  

It is very difficult right now to find trade partners for the Brewers.  There are a lot of off season trades with teams like the Phillies, Rangers, Angels and Mariners that I could see the Brewers doing.  If the Brewers wanted to keep both Burnes and Woodruff next year then the Angels make sense to trade Houser or Lauer to.  Lauer would also make sense with the Phillies.  I have mentioned in the Woodruff thread that the Rangers make a lot of sense as a trade partner for Woodruff.  

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

52 minutes ago, Roderick said:

I would think the Orioles would want more than that coming in.  Erceg probably has to be on the 40 man next year, right?  

Doubt they'd get it. Mancini is a solid hitter, but he is far from a game changer, and being in the last year of his deal, he's more -or-less a 30-year-old rental bat with limited defensive versatility. Not saying I wouldn't like to have him, but players like him typically don't fetch a ton at the trade deadline.  

[nate82]

Just now, brewmann04 said:

Any chance some teams willing to take on Hiura ?

I posted previously that I think Hiura would be someone the Nationals would like as they are rebuilding and yet they still want to keep Soto.  Beyond the Nationals I am not sure maybe the Royals.

[wallus]

1 hour ago, wntrtxn21 said:

Is this the same Gallo who is hitting .176/.247 and strikingout almost 40% of his PAs? The Brewers have plenty of high whiff guys who are under achieving. They don't need Gallo especially if it means losing a prospect or a pick. 

The same Gallo that is 28 and at least has a chance to turn it around versus an obvious washed up Cain. Gallo is struggling and still out OPSing Cain by over 150 points.

If the Yankees offer that trade, you take it and run.

[Brewcrew82]

I'm willing to trade everyone in this system in a fair deal, with the exception of Chourio.

I think a Bell/Benintendi deadline haul would be just what we need and may not even require us to part with a top 5 prospect. Of course, pretty much every other contender will be after these players, so probably not the most likely scenario.

If we want a controllable star-level player, we may have to offer Wiemer in return. With our minor league depth in the outfield and the potential rapid ascent of Chourio, I wouldn't be absolutely opposed to the idea. 

[Roderick]

10 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Doubt they'd get it. Mancini is a solid hitter, but he is far from a game changer, and being in the last year of his deal, he's more -or-less a 30-year-old rental bat with limited defensive versatility. Not saying I wouldn't like to have him, but players like him typically don't fetch a ton at the trade deadline.  

So you don't think the Orioles would just keep him and QO and get the comp pick?  Or QO to expensive for Mancini?  I thought public relations was an issue for Mancini also, as fan favorite?...

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

3 minutes ago, Roderick said:

So you don't think the Orioles would just keep him and QO and get the comp pick?  Or QO to expensive for Mancini?  I thought public relations was an issue for Mancini also, as fan favorite?...

I would think Garcia, Gray, Erceg and Lazar hold substantially more value than a late 1st sandwich pick and an average MLB reliever would. 

[nate82]

1 hour ago, Roderick said:

So you don't think the Orioles would just keep him and QO and get the comp pick?  Or QO to expensive for Mancini?  I thought public relations was an issue for Mancini also, as fan favorite?...

I don't believe the Orioles will get a comp pick for losing Mancini.  Below is the proposed 2023 FA Compensation.

Free Agent Compensation

Former club status	35M TG/ 18M AAV	55M TG/23M AAV	100M TG/ 30M AAV	150M TG/ 40M AAV
Revenue Payee	3rd round	Comp B	Comp A	Comp A+ 3rd round
Revenue Payor	---	3rd Round	Comp B	Comp A
CBT Payor	---	---	3rd Round	Comp B

The Associated Press

Compensation tiers are based on:

• the total guarantee (TG) OR the average annual value (AAV) of the player’s new contract, whichever is higher, and
• The Revenue paying and CBT status of the former club
• The player must be a first time free agent, and have been with the former team for at least one full season.
• There is no qualifying offer of salary or arbitration required for compensation.

[jay87shot]

I would think the O's would want players closer to the bigs because there rebuild has been long. If I was the O's I would want something like Huira, Alec Bettinger (or Dylan File), TJ Shook and Garrett Mitchell (or Hedbert). Huira and Bettinger would be guys who can play on the big league team right away and have some upside and the Mitchell gives you the tools upside at AA and Shook has had a better year than Lazar.

[jay87shot]

On 5/28/2022 at 3:24 PM, brewers888 said:

Cain has been amongst the very worst hitters in baseball. You can't just have what is almost an automatic out in the lineup. Hopefully Taylor shows enough to claim the everyday spot because Cain is just not an everyday player and is almost at the point where he can't even be on the roster.

Cain hasn't just been the worst hitter this year. Looking at some websites he is having the worst season in the past 20 years or so.

Here are the worst OPS+ seasons I could find (for guys with 300+ PA) 2022 Cain= 28, 2021 JBJ=34, 2011 Chone Figgins=40, 2017 Adam Engel=40, 2002 Neifi Perez=44, 2018 Chris Davis= 49, 2014 JBJ= 49.

To take into perspective Yovani Gallardo had a career 50 Ops+ as a pitcher. Cain has been so bad that I can't see us being able to trade him unless we take a multiyear bad contract back.

[Jopal78]

3 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

Cain hasn't just been the worst hitter this year. Looking at some websites he is having the worst season in the past 20 years or so.

Here are the worst OPS+ seasons I could find (for guys with 300+ PA) 2022 Cain= 28, 2021 JBJ=34, 2011 Chone Figgins=40, 2017 Adam Engel=40, 2002 Neifi Perez=44, 2018 Chris Davis= 49, 2014 JBJ= 49.

To take into perspective Yovani Gallardo had a career 50 Ops+ as a pitcher. Cain has been so bad that I can't see us being able to trade him unless we take a multiyear bad contract back.

They're not going to trade Lorenzo Cain. He either gets the bat going in the next few weeks or he'll be DFA'd before we reach the trade deadline. Major league teams simply don't give at bats to sub .500 OPS players no matter how much of a game changer they are defensively, and even coming off the bench they're likely going to need his roster spot sooner than later. 

 

20 hours ago, nate82 said:

I posted previously that I think Hiura would be someone the Nationals would like as they are rebuilding and yet they still want to keep Soto.  Beyond the Nationals I am not sure maybe the Royals.

Every team in the league would take Hiura, the question is at what cost? Nobody is going to trade anything of real value for a flawed player where it's anyone's guess if in two years he's a middle of the order slugger or out of pro-baseball all together.  

[jay87shot]

6 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

They're not going to trade Lorenzo Cain. He either gets the bat going in the next few weeks or he'll be DFA'd before we reach the trade deadline. Major league teams simply don't give at bats to sub .500 OPS players no matter how much of a game changer they are defensively, and even coming off the bench they're likely going to need his roster spot sooner than later. 

I meant they won't be able to trade Cain unless they take on a worse contract. Say Cain and a prospect for Miguel Cabrera (Tigers eat 1/2 of remaining contract). Even that would still be a long stretch. There are only a few contracts I can think of off the top of my head that would be bad enough to throw Cain in David Price, MadBum, Stasburg (probably impossible), maybe Hosmer. 

[brewmann04]

If they moved JB anything possible

[Roderick]

Cain is only signed through this year.  They aren't going to jump through hoops with trading prospects to get back a bad contract.  They will just eat it. 

I actually kind of doubt they dfa him though.  My guess they keep him, they are paying him anyways.  Maybe he gets "injured" for a month or so until we get to expanded rosters.  He just better not be on the playoff roster the way he is.

[nate82]

May want to add Hader, Burnes and Woodruff (if healthy to the list here).  

[nate82]

If the Brewers continue to falter it maybe best to trade Hader during the deadline.  Something like Casas, Bello and Thad Ward for Hader should be a good return for the Brewers and is probably too much but I think Casas is a bit overrated and has a little bit less value.  Plus with the deadline relievers tend to get more than they are actually worth so take Hader's value now and multiply it by 1.5 times of his current value so Hader should have a surplus value of about $50m which I think would be about what this trade would be fetching.  

This would give the Brewers a 1B/DH in Casas and another young starting pitcher in Bello.  If the Brewers decide to trade Burnes and Woodruff that would give the Brewers a rotation of Peralta, Ashby, Houser, Small, Lauer with Bello waiting in AAA in 2023 and Ward in the bullpen.  Ward would have to be added to the 40-man or he would be rule 5 eligible.  Could also replace Ward with Chih-Jung Liu.  

I think that would be the best offer out there.  I am not really interested in any of the Mets prospects and I don't think the Dodgers or Yankees will be looking for a closer.  The Blue Jays prospects also are not all that interesting either.  

[Brewcrew82]

Brewers are not trading Burnes....That would only be in a worst case blow-up the team scenario. And Woodruff is injured right now, so that's not happening either. Let's relax a little bit as despite our losing streak we're still in decent position playoff-wise, and it's a very long season. But they need to start winning again, and soon...like tomorrow. 

[brewers888]

This team just isn't good enough to win a championship so the time has come to move Hader. Every contender will be interested and a bidding war will ensue for the best reliever in baseball. Not sure I trust Stearns who has one foot out the door to do whats best for the franchise but I guess as long as we eliminate the mets from the bidding we should be able to get a haul from one of the contending teams.

[Robocaller]

On 6/11/2022 at 5:13 AM, brewers888 said:

This team just isn't good enough to win a championship so the time has come to move Hader. Every contender will be interested and a bidding war will ensue for the best reliever in baseball. Not sure I trust Stearns who has one foot out the door to do whats best for the franchise but I guess as long as we eliminate the mets from the bidding we should be able to get a haul from one of the contending teams.

They are not trading hater this year, unless we fall out of a chance for the playoffs.

[Underachiever]

On 6/11/2022 at 6:13 AM, brewers888 said:

This team just isn't good enough to win a championship so the time has come to move Hader. Every contender will be interested and a bidding war will ensue for the best reliever in baseball. Not sure I trust Stearns who has one foot out the door to do whats best for the franchise but I guess as long as we eliminate the mets from the bidding we should be able to get a haul from one of the contending teams.

This is so insulting, and there is zero proof of it. I think you are consistently the most negative person on here, but this is a new low.

[sveumrules]

On 6/11/2022 at 5:13 AM, brewers888 said:

This team just isn't good enough to win a championship so the time has come to move Hader. Every contender will be interested and a bidding war will ensue for the best reliever in baseball. Not sure I trust Stearns who has one foot out the door to do whats best for the franchise but I guess as long as we eliminate the mets from the bidding we should be able to get a haul from one of the contending teams.

If Stearns can’t even put together a Championship caliber team (thought it was just offense before), why would the Mets (who currently have the best record in the NL) want him to begin with?

[Brewcrew82]

7 hours ago, Underachiever said:

This is so insulting, and there is zero proof of it. I think you are consistently the most negative person on here, but this is a new low.

The unfortunate thing is that this is far from the first time he's made this accusation. It's become part of his regular routine, whether on here or on the in-game thread (during/after losses, of course). Pretty bizarre considering the complete lack of evidence for it and the fact that Stearns is the most brilliant GM in our history and has gifted us four straight postseason appearances. 

[Brewcrew82]

I will say that Stearns has been strangely quiet to this point in the season, given his previous history of in-season acquisitions. Perhaps the proverbial "quiet before the storm"???