2022 Trade Market

[Robocaller]

just spitballing a big trade that nets us a CF, SP, and RP who all have team control for at least a few years.

Baltimore gives up:

Cedric Mullins, CF 27 y.o.

Tyler Wells, SP 26 y.o.

Jorge Lopez, RP 29 y.o.

Milwaukee gives up:

Frelick

Houser

Small

one guy between 15-20 on our list of prospects.

another guy at 31+ on our list of prospects.

 

 

[nate82]

1 hour ago, Outlander said:

It is very rare to see Gray in the top 10, I don't know a single one that does. Black on the other hand is top 10 everywhere.

Is there that big of a difference between 7-15? Both are ranked in that range so I don’t believe one is significantly more than the other.  

[sveumrules]

29 minutes ago, nate82 said:

Is there that big of a difference between 7-15? Both are ranked in that range so I don’t believe one is significantly more than the other.  

Black is 21 with a 15.1 K% and 136 wRC+ in Appleton this year.

Gray is 22 with a 35.7 K% and 75 wRC+ in Appleton this year.

If opposing teams view them as having equal value, I’d greatly prefer to deal Gray.

[Jopal78]

15 hours ago, Robocaller said:

just spitballing a big trade that nets us a CF, SP, and RP who all have team control for at least a few years.

Baltimore gives up:

Cedric Mullins, CF 27 y.o.

Tyler Wells, SP 26 y.o.

Jorge Lopez, RP 29 y.o.

Milwaukee gives up:

Frelick

Houser

Small

one guy between 15-20 on our list of prospects.

another guy at 31+ on our list of prospects.

 

 

Why would Baltimore want to deal Mullins? He’s already terrific and under team control for several more seasons.

Meanwhile, Houser has a flexor tendon injury which doesn’t usually bode well for a pitcher making a quick and uncomplicated return to action. You can also wonder about Small, a former first round pick in AAA yet when 3/5 of the opening day rotation has gone down with injuries, but for being the extra man in a double header Small has been cooling his heels in AAA.

Baltimore would laugh at this proposal 

[Rock hard Brouhard]

I know the Crew flies under the radar for the trade deadline….. A couple guys who I view as under the radar guys are Michael A Taylor ,who plays great defense and is having a decent season at the plate . He would also fit a glaring need in CF, plus I think he is relatively cheap for next year at 4.5 million….. another guy is Christian walker in Arizona. He has had a good season despite the low average . I could see him playing first and letting Rowdy DH…..

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

3 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

Baltimore would laugh at this proposal 

This is akin to saying that "they'd hang up on you." Major League baseball team GMs don't operate that way. If they did, they wouldn't be GMs for very long.

[nate82]

6 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

Why would Baltimore want to deal Mullins? He’s already terrific and under team control for several more seasons.

Meanwhile, Houser has a flexor tendon injury which doesn’t usually bode well for a pitcher making a quick and uncomplicated return to action. You can also wonder about Small, a former first round pick in AAA yet when 3/5 of the opening day rotation has gone down with injuries, but for being the extra man in a double header Small has been cooling his heels in AAA.

Baltimore would laugh at this proposal 

I don't think they would do this for Mullins or do this trade now but Houser and Small would be someone the Orioles should be looking at this offseason.  I think Baltimore will be very much interested in Houser this offseason along with a few other teams.  If the Brewers decide to keep Woodruff and Burnes Lauer and Houser are probably on the outside looking in and one or both will probably be traded to clear some space in $'s.  

I wouldn't be surprised to see a bidding war from the Angels, Orioles and White Sox looking to add to their rotation and both Houser and Lauer would be good adds for those teams along with a few other teams.  If the Rangers or Tigers don't want to go big and sell off a lot of their prospects for Woodruff or Burnes a good #4/5 starter would be a good compromise for them.  Both Lauer and Houser fit into that good to great #4/5 starter.  Lauer on the Angels would make that team a much better team and would solidify their rotation in the backend of it.  Houser would also be a good target for the Angels.  Both Houser and Lauer would allow for the younger pitchers the Angels have to develop into those #3 and #2 type pitchers while Houser or Lauer holds down the #4 or #5 spot and gives them innings.  The Brewers wouldn't get a high impact prospect but a few good prospects should come back in return for either Houser or Lauer.  

[Robocaller]

10 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

Why would Baltimore want to deal Mullins? He’s already terrific and under team control for several more seasons.

Meanwhile, Houser has a flexor tendon injury which doesn’t usually bode well for a pitcher making a quick and uncomplicated return to action. You can also wonder about Small, a former first round pick in AAA yet when 3/5 of the opening day rotation has gone down with injuries, but for being the extra man in a double header Small has been cooling his heels in AAA.

Baltimore would laugh at this proposal 

So you're saying we'd need to include Reetz too. ?

[wntrtxn21]

On 7/8/2022 at 4:22 PM, Robocaller said:

just spitballing a big trade that nets us a CF, SP, and RP who all have team control for at least a few years.

Baltimore gives up:

Cedric Mullins, CF 27 y.o.

Tyler Wells, SP 26 y.o.

Jorge Lopez, RP 29 y.o.

Milwaukee gives up:

Frelick

Houser

Small

one guy between 15-20 on our list of prospects.

another guy at 31+ on our list of prospects.

 

 

If you are a fan of surplus value of players, this would be one of the bigger steals in history.  The three Brewers are roughly 1/3 of the sv of the Orioles players. Even if you are not a believer in sv, this wouldn't be of any interest to the O's. They probably could do better for Mullins alone. 

[Robocaller]

2 hours ago, wntrtxn21 said:

If you are a fan of surplus value of players, this would be one of the bigger steals in history.  The three Brewers are roughly 1/3 of the sv of the Orioles players. Even if you are not a believer in sv, this wouldn't be of any interest to the O's. They probably could do better for Mullins alone. 

I listed 5 brewers.

 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I seriously think some of you are going to be really surprised by the returns these guys bring when they start getting moved. A guy like Mullins is a solid player with control, but he isn't a superstar. Guys like him aren't going to cause a bidding war where teams give up multiple Top 100 prospects. 

[jay87shot]

What about Whit Merrifield as a CF option? He has only play 80 games in his career but has been statistically a good fielder. His bat hasn't been good this year but he should be much better.

Christian Walker could be an interesting idea as well. He would improve 1st defense and hit some dingers.  However I am liking Keston getting run at DH.

Both of those guys likely wouldn't cost any top prospects and have some control.

[jay87shot]

33 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

I seriously think some of you are going to be really surprised by the returns these guys bring when they start getting moved. A guy like Mullins is a solid player with control, but he isn't a superstar. Guys like him aren't going to cause a bidding war where teams give up multiple Top 100 prospects. 

It is more that guys like Mullins and Reynolds are above average players who don't need to be traded because of control. With both of those teams a few years away from competing and a bunch of contenders needing CF help the asking price is going to be much higher. Some one will give 2 top 100 prospects up for one of those guys if not at the deadline maybe the offseason.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

21 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

It is more that guys like Mullins and Reynolds are above average players who don't need to be traded because of control. With both of those teams a few years away from competing and a bunch of contenders needing CF help the asking price is going to be much higher. Some one will give 2 top 100 prospects up for one of those guys if not at the deadline maybe the offseason.

Reynolds maybe. Probably not Mullins though. He's a solid player, but he simply doesn't have enough of a track record for a team to give up a huge haul for him. He was great last year, but this year is much closer to career norms, which have been meh. 

[jay87shot]

Mullins is going to be a borderline e 5 WAR player this year. He isn't a power hitter like he was last year but they did move the fences back considerably at Camden, Mullins is a better fielder. Reynolds has been an everyday player longer but Mullins is more than just a guy.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

1 hour ago, jay87shot said:

Mullins is going to be a borderline e 5 WAR player this year. He isn't a power hitter like he was last year but they did move the fences back considerably at Camden, Mullins is a better fielder. Reynolds has been an everyday player longer but Mullins is more than just a guy.

Never said he was "just a guy". He's solid. He'd certainly be an upgrade in CF from what the team already has. But his .719 OPS certainly doesn't scream "difference maker" in the lineup. 

[nate82]

2 hours ago, jay87shot said:

What about Whit Merrifield as a CF option? He has only play 80 games in his career but has been statistically a good fielder. His bat hasn't been good this year but he should be much better.

Christian Walker could be an interesting idea as well. He would improve 1st defense and hit some dingers.  However I am liking Keston getting run at DH.

Both of those guys likely wouldn't cost any top prospects and have some control.

I think Merrifield is done and he is on a decline similar to what Cain was on.  I don't see Merrifield being a positive for the Brewers. 

No thanks on Walker he may improve the defense at 1B but that is about it, I would rather just stay with Tellez than trading assets for a maybe slight improvement at 1B.  If the Brewers are going to trade for a 1B Mancini or Bell are far better options.  

[nate82]

2 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Reynolds maybe. Probably not Mullins though. He's a solid player, but he simply doesn't have enough of a track record for a team to give up a huge haul for him. He was great last year, but this year is much closer to career norms, which have been meh. 

The problem with Mullins is that the Orioles see him as a piece that will be around when they are competitive again. The Orioles are not that far off either.  They are not having a good year but they are playing better than they were last year and are far more competitive this season even in the AL East which is stacked right now. 

I don't see the Orioles giving up Mullins unless a team is willing to give up a couple top 100 type prospects.  Mullins is far more valuable to the Orioles than he is on the trade market.   

[Jopal78]

On 7/9/2022 at 11:12 AM, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

This is akin to saying that "they'd hang up on you." Major League baseball team GMs don't operate that way. If they did, they wouldn't be GMs for very long.

Ok, maybe I should have said “they’d say no almost immediately while stifling a chuckle”

[Jopal78]

8 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

I seriously think some of you are going to be really surprised by the returns these guys bring when they start getting moved. A guy like Mullins is a solid player with control, but he isn't a superstar. Guys like him aren't going to cause a bidding war where teams give up multiple Top 100 prospects. 

I disagree. Sure no blue chip AAA talents are going to get traded, but with the expanded playoffs there will be more demand for upgrades before the deadline.
This year in particular there’s a lack of quality rental hitters available, it will be a sellers market.

[brewers888]

This team just isn't worth pillaging the farm for and certainly not for a rental.

[brewmann04]

I agree with this a lot of holes in the starting lineup 

[nate82]

2 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

This year in particular there’s a lack of quality rental hitters available, it will be a sellers market.

Not really.  The Giants need a catcher not an OF or 1B/DH, Padres need an OF, Braves need a starting pitcher or another reliever, Yankees need a CF, Astros need a catcher, Red Sox need pitching, Twins need pitching and LOL the other AL West teams not even worth discussing as they are out of the playoffs. 

The only teams that maybe competing with the Brewers for the same type of players would be the Giants and maybe the Astros depending on injuries.  I don't see the other teams adding a 1B/DH type or even the same type of OF's the Brewers will be targeting.  I just don't see it being a sellers market unless you are selling a catcher or pitching.  Guys like Bell and Mancini are not going to be in high demand.   

[Jopal78]

8 hours ago, nate82 said:

Not really.  The Giants need a catcher not an OF or 1B/DH, Padres need an OF, Braves need a starting pitcher or another reliever, Yankees need a CF, Astros need a catcher, Red Sox need pitching, Twins need pitching and LOL the other AL West teams not even worth discussing as they are out of the playoffs. 

The only teams that maybe competing with the Brewers for the same type of players would be the Giants and maybe the Astros depending on injuries.  I don't see the other teams adding a 1B/DH type or even the same type of OF's the Brewers will be targeting.  I just don't see it being a sellers market unless you are selling a catcher or pitching.  Guys like Bell and Mancini are not going to be in high demand.   

But that’s not logical. Only one team can land Wilson Contreras. The teams that don’t land him are not going to just sit on their hands they will pivot to other players and find ways to get them in the lineup. Heck the Brewers initially  traded for Moustakas and played him at 2nd.

Every contender is going to want bats to some degree, and there are not a lot of quality rental type hitters on truly bad teams. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

33 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

But that’s not logical. Only one team can land Wilson Contreras. The teams that don’t land him are not going to just sit on their hands they will pivot to other players and find ways to get them in the lineup. Heck the Brewers initially  traded for Moustakas and played him at 2nd.

Every contender is going to want bats to some degree, and there are not a lot of quality rental type hitters on truly bad teams. 

This is incorrect. Moose played 3B after the Brewers traded for him. Shaw made the switch to 2nd. It wasn't until the next year that Moose played 2B for the Brewers.