Brewers acquire Trevor Rosenthal

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

10 minutes ago, Never Outhustled said:

The Brewers were also confident in the wonder scrub lefty they got for Garret Cooper, and posters were convinced we were too deep for Cooper to ever get time here.  How'd that work out? This deal is even dumber than that deal. 

It is a peculiar deal for sure. But I'll give it a chance, rather then go completely hot takey on it.

[Jopal78]

4 minutes ago, BallFour said:

If Garret Cooper is "the one who got away" in 7 years, you know you are a fan of a team that has a very good front office.

Bingo. He's a 32 year old 1B with a career sub .800 OPS, dime a dozen.

[brewcrewdue80]

I hope there's a clause on the trade that the Brewers get Peters back if Rosenthal doesn't exceed 2 game appearances.  

Whether Peters makes the MLs or not, the opinion on him being a 7th rd nobody and is behind a large group of OFs, you know how upset you'd be if they traded Sal Frelick. Peters has Sal Frelick numbers.  Is taller than Frelick which immediately puts his ceiling higher for hitting.  Trading someone who is exceeding 1st year expectations vs players like Lutz who Peters is supposedly behind that continue to not meet expectations?  This for an injured, yet to pitch, RP that is going to be your what? 6-7th or 11th inning guy? Padres traded for Soto and your last minute desperate move is addressing that maybe future ability over a bat?

[MoreTrife]

16 hours ago, Never Outhustled said:

Since he last pitched in the majors, Rosenthal had thoracic outlet syndrome surgery and hip labrum surgery. He's 36 years old. He's presently dealing with a hamstring strain.

He's no sure thing he becomes available in September, and if he does, he's unlikely to make it to October. 

I'm as befuddled as the rest, but he's 32. Bush is 36.

[StearnsFTW]

2 hours ago, Never Outhustled said:

The Brewers were also confident in the wonder scrub lefty they got for Garret Cooper, and posters were convinced we were too deep for Cooper to ever get time here.  How'd that work out? This deal is even dumber than that deal. 

Garrett Cooper has 4 WAR in 1200 AB since that deal.  Whoop-de-doo

[Robocaller]

17 hours ago, SomewhereInTime said:

Guys who are on a ML roster for 2.5 years over a 5 year period are basically freely available at all times.

They literally aren't because they'd still be under the control of their team.

 

[SomewhereInTime]

9 minutes ago, Robocaller said:

They literally aren't because they'd still be under the control of their team.

 

Maybe I don't understand what you mean here.  I think you're talking about the random guys who aren't good enough to stick in the big leagues for a whole season but do get called up and spend time platooning or on the bench?

There's an endless supply of those guys across AAA and if you want one on someone elses AAA team they can be acquired for cash considerations or something.

[SomewhereInTime]

3 hours ago, StearnsFTW said:

Garrett Cooper has 4 WAR in 1200 AB since that deal.  Whoop-de-doo

That's only a little over two full seasons worth of ABs.  That's not a bad big league player.

[Robocaller]

5 minutes ago, SomewhereInTime said:

Maybe I don't understand what you mean here.  I think you're talking about the random guys who aren't good enough to stick in the big leagues for a whole season but do get called up and spend time platooning or on the bench?

There's an endless supply of those guys across AAA and if you want one on someone elses AAA team they can be acquired for cash considerations or something.

What I mean is that the player would still be under control of their team and another team couldn't sign him. 
Take for example Tyrone Taylor; if he doesn't stick in the majors after this season, he'd be one of these guys. He's been useful, but shouldn't really be a starter. And if Frelick and Ruiz get promoted (with Mitchell in the wings) next year, Taylor could be off the major league team.
 

[UpandIn]

20 hours ago, MVP2110 said:

I don't get this one. The Brewers just had a chance to sign him. I don't think Peters is some great prospect but having to give up any decent prospect for a guy you could have signed 3 weeks ago is a bad look. They really must have been impressed with his workout, it seems like they have been after him for awhile

Agreed...and it's not that Peters is a key piece to the Brewers future or anything, but what did the Nats want back for Josh Bell? MLB ready prospects.

Seems like a year from now, he's the type of guy who would have been just that in a year from now. I'm much more bothered by giving up Antoine Kelly, a guy who I thought had a future with the Brewers, but this move just seemed...silly. Like the Axford move last year if it would have cost us a prospect performing at a high level. 

[UpandIn]

9 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

It's a funny meme for sure and a funny situation trading for a player who may never pitch, but it's not my money so what do I care? 

As for Peters, he was a 7th round pick who they signed for under slot value at $147,500.

In the last 20 years the Brewers have had 2 players drafted in the 7th round who became regulars at the major league level: Michael Brantley '05 and Khris Davis '09.  Other 7th rounders in the last 20 years: David Goforth '11 who saw the major leagues briefly, and Tom Wilhelmsen who was a Brewers 7th rounder in '02 and eventually made the majors several years after being released by the Brewers and being out of organized baseball.

If Tristan Peters ends up becoming a major league regular, good for him and San Francisco, but right now in 2022 he's a player where the odds are already stacked against him. 

I have no issues with the Brewers playing the percentages and dealing a player like that from their system. 

 

 

I have no issue with dealing him either. I DO have an issue just kinda throwing him away for the privilege of paying a guy who's currently injured and has been for the last three years. 

 

I really don't think the Brewers past 7th round picks dating back 20 years is really at all relevant to Peters. You could do this with players from pretty much every round to justify why the next guy won't be any good. 

I hope it works out, but it makes very little sense so far as I can see. 

[StearnsFTW]

2 hours ago, SomewhereInTime said:

That's only a little over two full seasons worth of ABs.  That's not a bad big league player.

 

As a part time player.  The fact is it's over 5 seasons.  Which makes him an incredibly average player. 

 

Which is better than Webb for sure but no loss.

[NBBrewFan]

On 8/3/2022 at 12:50 PM, BallFour said:

If Garret Cooper is "the one who got away" in 7 years, you know you are a fan of a team that has a very good front office.

That's interesting.  Looking at the starting lineup, Other than Taylor and Hiura who did the Brewers "get" that didn't "get away"? Several on the pitching side, but the other conclusion is that they've been bad at developing hitters over the last seven years and those 2 things are hard to claim the FO is "very good".

[sveumrules]

37 minutes ago, NBBrewFan said:

That's interesting.  Looking at the starting lineup, Other than Taylor and Hiura who did the Brewers "get" that didn't "get away"? Several on the pitching side, but the other conclusion is that they've been bad at developing hitters over the last seven years and those 2 things are hard to claim the FO is "very good".

They “developed” Grisham & traded him for Urias. They developed Rasmussen (but he’s a pitcher I realize that doesn’t count) and traded him for Adames. Rowdy was also acquired via negligible trade.

Developed by the Brewers or not, those are three young controllable bats in the lineup. 

The truth is these things take time & the Brewers have four recent high draft pick hitters in AAA plus some guy named Jackson doing ok too.

Seven years sounds like forever but it’s really not seven years, No 1st rounder from 2022 or 2021 has made MLB.

Four 1st rounders from 2020 have made MLB, all drafted 11th or higher, Brewers picked 20th.

Small is one of only 13 FRPs to make MLB in 2019. The top seven picks have all made it plus four guys from 11th to 20th. Ethan was #28.

In 2018 the only quality hitter drafted after Turang in the 1st round was Nico Hoerner. There’s some other guys who have just started cracking MLB in the 2nd/3rd round; Ryan Jeffers, Alek Thomas, Cal Raleigh, Jeremy Pena.

2017 we got the best hitter available in the 1st round, no hitter drafted after him has topped Keston’s 1.3 WAR.

Even from 2016 there are only four 1st round hitters with at least 2 WAR; Kyle Lewis (11th pick), Gavin Lux (20th), Will Smith (32nd), Dylan Carlson (33rd).  25th pick Eric Lauer is 5th among 2016 first rounders in career WAR, but he is a pitcher & was acquired via trade so that’s a double whammy.

So out of the seven years of not developing a hitter it’s really only been one year, Ray/Erceg in 2016.

2017 we got the best guy we could, 2018 our guy is in AAA & we essentially got Willy Adames in the 6th round. Anything after that is too recent for MLB impact based on our draft positioning. 

[NBBrewFan]

30 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

They “developed” Grisham & traded him for Urias. They developed Rasmussen (but he’s a pitcher I realize that doesn’t count) and traded him for Adames. Rowdy was also acquired via negligible trade.

Developed by the Brewers or not, those are three young controllable bats in the lineup. 

Can we at least acknowledge there was a GM before David Stearns and several of those assets we love to throw around as great pieces of the team (Woodward, Grisham - what he netted, Hader/now what he netted) were in fact not a Stearns acquisition?

 

38 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

(but he’s a pitcher I realize that doesn’t count)

Thanks for putting those words in when I never said that.  I was specifically talking bats.

If I posted Excellent (pitching) + Bad (hitting) = good (not very good IMHO) front office is that acceptable. After all it's just an opinion, not heresy against a deity.

[Never Outhustled]

On 8/3/2022 at 8:38 PM, StearnsFTW said:

 

As a part time player.  The fact is it's over 5 seasons.  Which makes him an incredibly average player. 

 

Which is better than Webb for sure but no loss.

It's a loss because he's been better than our 1Bs.

[edfunderburk]

On 8/3/2022 at 1:29 PM, brewcrewdue80 said:

I hope there's a clause on the trade that the Brewers get Peters back if Rosenthal doesn't exceed 2 game appearances.  

Whether Peters makes the MLs or not, the opinion on him being a 7th rd nobody and is behind a large group of OFs, you know how upset you'd be if they traded Sal Frelick. Peters has Sal Frelick numbers.  Is taller than Frelick which immediately puts his ceiling higher for hitting.  Trading someone who is exceeding 1st year expectations vs players like Lutz who Peters is supposedly behind that continue to not meet expectations?  This for an injured, yet to pitch, RP that is going to be your what? 6-7th or 11th inning guy? Padres traded for Soto and your last minute desperate move is addressing that maybe future ability over a bat?

I’ve mentioned in previous posts related to this trade that I really like Peters … this was indeed an odd, risky trade

I surely hope Rosenthal proves worth it in Sept

[UpandIn]

4 hours ago, Never Outhustled said:

It's a loss because he's been better than our 1Bs.

Has he though? 2018 when we lost in 7 to the Dodgers, Aguilar was an All Star, 3.4 WAR.

Cooper just...wasn't going to be a part of this offense. If we had him, we'd be talking about needing to replace him and constantly tinkering trying to find someone...pretty much as we have, but the one real deep run we've had, he wouldn't have made it past that team(I don't think). Thames was also around. 51 HRs out of those two alone.

There just wasn't a place we could have really used Cooper. 

[AKCheesehead]

Has anyone been able to find any updates on Rosenthal's progress?  My guess is he's working out and rehabbing at Arizona but I've had not luck locating any info. 

[YelichPosse]

Was interested to see how he did last night to see he didn’t pitch cause of a headache. I mean … come on this gets more and more interesting lol. Hope he throws tonight!

[Outlander]

He did throw a scoreless inning tonight.

[LouisEly]

Was hitting 98-99.

The issue was his hamstrings, not his arm.

[Jim French Stepstool]

I wish Rosenthal was rehabbing in AA. Then he could face Peters & this could be settled once & for all.?

[LouisEly]

Debate what was given up, but it's pretty hard to argue that the Brewers don't need Rosenthal...

 

[edfunderburk]

It appears by the time Rosenthal arrives it will be too late to matter for this abysmal season

Maybe he will re-sign with Milwaukee & offer solid support for Williams along with Bush next year