Injury updates

[tmwiese55]

33 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Becoming clear Brewers don't know what to do with Hoskins. They don't want to cut him and see him in the playoffs. No other explanation makes sense. 

Yea this is weird and I haven't seen anyone talking about it?    He seems a well liked guy and was generally fine this year before getting hurt.    My guess is some kind of roster manipulation thing? Perhaps the longer they hold Bauer the higher chances of keeping him in system when DFAd? Or generally waiting and see if anyone gets hurt before his due date so they can 'dl' that person to keep them. Or maybe if they were planning on Hoskins back in the last few days it got pushed back due to Yelich's issues since Bauers can play OF in a pinch.   Just looked and it seems 9/9 is the date they have to activate him by.

[Bulldogboy]

15 minutes ago, tmwiese55 said:

Yea this is weird and I haven't seen anyone talking about it?    He seems a well liked guy and was generally fine this year before getting hurt.    My guess is some kind of roster manipulation thing? Perhaps the longer they hold Bauer the higher chances of keeping him in system when DFAd? Or generally waiting and see if anyone gets hurt before his due date so they can 'dl' that person to keep them. Or maybe if they were planning on Hoskins back in the last few days it got pushed back due to Yelich's issues since Bauers can play OF in a pinch.   Just looked and it seems 9/9 is the date they have to activate him by.

As bad as Hoskins has been at times he's 100 percent better than Bauers. If the Brewers are choosing to play Bauers over Hoskins which is clearly the case you have to ask why. Our crack Brewers media members haven't thought to ask. Hoskins has been in Nashville since August 19th. 

[tmwiese55]

2 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

As bad as Hoskins has been at times he's 100 percent better than Bauers. If the Brewers are choosing to play Bauers over Hoskins which is clearly the case you have to ask why. Our crack Brewers media members haven't thought to ask. Hoskins has been in Nashville since August 19th. 

Yea I have no real beef with Bauers the way many here do.  But managements seeming dedication to him seems kind of odd.  If you lose him when you DFA so be it.   Sure he's probably better than Black (his closest positional comp being lefty and 1b/of) but its probably marginal at best and  losing that depth this late in the year doesn't seem it should be a concern.

[HarryDoyle]

39 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

 

Yep, Aaaaaaaaaany day now.

[tmwiese55]

That could be a merger of topics.  This goes on another day or two for Yeli and you might as well DL him.  That lines right up pretty well with Hoskins approaching deadline

[BruisedCrew]

2 hours ago, brewmann04 said:

But what this team do to piss off the Baseball gods

Trying to navigate the season with SP who struggle to cover 5 innings and not adding depth in the bullpen at the deadline like most playoff contenders did?

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

The only argument for Bauers is he's a lefty, and that's no good enough, especially with an extra position player spot available. If you like Siegler, fine. If you like Bauers, fine (I guess). Having both with a proven MLB bat, with slug, rotting in Triple A is...baffling. I totally trust and respect Arnold, but if this is in any way his call, it's the wrong one.

Does it matter that much? I don't know. Probably depends how many more times I have to watch bad lefties take ABs from a better righty.

[sveumrules]

23 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Our crack Brewers media members haven't thought to ask.

“There isn’t a target date,” Murphy said. “We just feel like with our roster the way it is right now, he’s a first baseman and a DH. We have both of those potions right now and we have the opposite-handed, the left-handed, hitter for pinch-hit situations. So to thread the needle, we still feel like we need a little more time.” 

[RightFieldCoder]

I like Hoskins over Bauers. I think the Brewers like that Bauers can play OF (Yellich, Chourio, and Frelick all have nagging injuries) and he can run the bases better. My guess is that they would send Bauers down now if they didn't have to DFA to do so. 

[yoshii8]

Anyone able to give a reasonable explanation on why Hoskins hasn’t been brought up? 

[LouisEly]

2 hours ago, yoshii8 said:

Anyone able to give a reasonable explanation on why Hoskins hasn’t been brought up? 

Aside from what @sveumrules posted four hours before this, when it comes to bench players the Brewers historically seem to place positional flexibility as a high priority. 

With Bauers being able to play corner OF (and pinch-run), my guess is that trumps a little bit of OPS in the Brewers eyes.

[yoshii8]

 

9 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Aside from what @sveumrules posted four hours before this, when it comes to bench players the Brewers historically seem to place positional flexibility as a high priority. 

With Bauers being able to play corner OF (and pinch-run), my guess is that trumps a little bit of OPS in the Brewers eyes.

I just get the feeling there’s more to it than this. It’s more than a little bit of OPS and he’s a former all star that is known as a clubhouse leader and we are paying him a lot of money. I don’t buy that explanation 

[formerlybis]

Buy it or not, with Yelich not being able to play, they’re down to Collins, Perkins, Frelick, and Chourio as OFs. Bauers can play OF, and is a LH bat. Hoskins and Vaughn are redundant - RH, 1Bs only. How would you platoon those two? If you DH one of them, that puts Yelich in the field (when healthy), and takes out Collins, Chourio, or Frelick. 
 

 

[Frisbee Slider]

20 minutes ago, formerlybis said:

Hoskins and Vaughn are redundant - RH, 1Bs only. How would you platoon those two?

They each play 3-4 days per week until someone wins the job? 🤷‍♂️

[Thurston Fluff]

17 hours ago, BruisedCrew said:

Trying to navigate the season with SP who struggle to cover 5 innings and not adding depth in the bullpen at the deadline like most playoff contenders did?

How was Shelby Miller anything other than adding bullpen depth at the deadline?

 

17 hours ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

The only argument for Bauers is he's a lefty, and that's no good enough, especially with an extra position player spot available. If you like Siegler, fine. If you like Bauers, fine (I guess). Having both with a proven MLB bat, with slug, rotting in Triple A is...baffling. I totally trust and respect Arnold, but if this is in any way his call, it's the wrong one.

Does it matter that much? I don't know. Probably depends how many more times I have to watch bad lefties take ABs from a better righty.

He's a better baserunner, defender and has shown the ability to pinch hit and produce as well with sporadic playing time as he does with regular ab's (limited as that may be.) Also the alternatives are to option Vaughn or DFA Bauers allowing another contender to pick him up. Bauers may not be one of our best bench player options but he could be a competitors.

[BruisedCrew]

20 minutes ago, Thurston Fluff said:

How was Shelby Miller anything other than adding bullpen depth at the deadline?

I discount someone with a long injury history who is on the IL at the time of the transaction and has to be treated with kid gloves when he returns until he predictably gets hurt again. 

That was a gamble that obviously didn’t pay off. 

[Samurai Bucky]

19 hours ago, markedman5 said:

 

Nothing a quick epidural wouldn't solve, right?

In all seriousness, if Micah Parsons would have one to play (and JJ Watt had one based on his interview on McAfee this week), would this help Yelich?  I'm not looking for him to do it and then never play again for sure.  I really don't know what would be involved and what the risk would be.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

27 minutes ago, Thurston Fluff said:

How was Shelby Miller anything other than adding bullpen depth at the deadline?

 

He's a better baserunner, defender and has shown the ability to pinch hit and produce as well with sporadic playing time as he does with regular ab's (limited as that may be.) Also the alternatives are to option Vaughn or DFA Bauers allowing another contender to pick him up. Bauers may not be one of our best bench player options but he could be a competitors.

I sort of get it, but then Siegler is redundant. That's all I'm saying. Nothing against either of those guys. It's just that Hoskins seems to have more value to me, and I think anything else ends up too cute by half.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

4 minutes ago, Samurai Bucky said:

Nothing a quick epidural wouldn't solve, right?

In all seriousness, if Micah Parsons would have one to play (and JJ Watt had one based on his interview on McAfee this week), would this help Yelich?  I'm not looking for him to do it and then never play again for sure.  I really don't know what would be involved and what the risk would be.

I'm very leery of taking pain management advice from the NFL. The level of drug distribution in that league is well-documented and not very good for anyone long-term.

[Thurston Fluff]

19 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

I discount someone with a long injury history who is on the IL at the time of the transaction and has to be treated with kid gloves when he returns until he predictably gets hurt again. 

That was a gamble that obviously didn’t pay off. 

Would we have been better off trading actual prospects for Ryan Helsley? Sometimes it pays off sometimes it doesn't. The reasons may vary but the results are what matter. The fact is the Brewers did trade for a legitimate high leverage reliever for essentially no prospects in a sellers market and got a months worth of relief help during a stretch it was needed. That is not nothing.

[Frisbee Slider]

We have DL Hall and Megill back soon enough?

[Fear The Chorizo]

One thing ive long considered to be a weakness with the Brewers when it comes to the postseason is their emphasis on positional versatility limiting their playoff rosters.  Over the course of a regular season, having a bench full of guys who carry all the fielders gloves and can fill in at many positions due to pitching matchups, guys needing a day off, etc probably helps to grind out a few more wins over the 162....

However, being stuck with that same bench during a best of 5 or 7 game series in October does you no good when you need the most hitting/power talent you can possibly get on the field and thr strategy shifts to finding the most chances for scoring runs in the late innings.  

 

Bottom line, if Hoskins is healthy, he needs to be in Milwaukee and in the lineup so he is ready for the playoffs - if that means Bauers gets DFA'd or Seigler is gone, or even Vaughn is benched, it needs to happen.  If Yelich continues to not be playing or IL-d right now through this, Ill also lose my mind.

 

 

[edfunderburk]

Any chance the Brewers option Vaughn (who is in a mini-slump) to Nashville on 9/9 when Hoskins rejoins the big league club so as not to DFA Bauers? This is not a recommendation - just wondering out loud. 

[BruisedCrew]

1 hour ago, Frisbee Slider said:

We have DL Hall and Megill back soon enough?

Maybe September 16 for Megill, maybe late September for Hall. 

Both of those seem like best case scenarios with no setbacks. 

[Baldkin]

3 hours ago, edfunderburk said:

Any chance the Brewers option Vaughn (who is in a mini-slump) to Nashville on 9/9 when Hoskins rejoins the big league club so as not to DFA Bauers? This is not a recommendation - just wondering out loud. 

 

Since August 1st, Vaughn has a wOBA of .314 but an xwOBA of .349

A 101 wrc+, but that xwOBA would be about a 125 wrc+. 

He has been really unlucky with hits considering the contact he is making.