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I get the point of not liking leaving money on the table, but if Holden would have signed for just over a million or Roupe and him would have split the money left, I wouldn't have blinked an eye.

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I would imagine that they kept that carrot of a $800k offer out to someone to bite, and no takers from the 12-16 round crowd. All we can ask is the organization makes the serious effort to sign quality players, and it seems they likely did. This is a far cry from what transpired in the late 90s and a little into the early 00s when it seemed the team didn't try to maximize signing draft picks, or going for higher upside players.

I also can say that I am fully in the Holden camp as my new favorite from this draft - watched a couple interviews on him, and he is so athletic with a chance to have a big power arm. Hopeful for development (command/control), health and well development and health!

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Long time reader, I love MLB draft day and always exciting to add new talent to the Brewer organization.  I was curious about some of the recent signings so I did a deep dive into Chase Bentley.  He played on Team USA’s 15U team in 2022 with Brady Ebel.  In one of the box scores I saw he played against Team Venezuela with a couple of other Brewer farmhands in Nicolas Barrios and Jonathan Rangel.  First post so I hope I’m adding the link correctly.  Click on the box score if interested.  
 

 https://www.usabaseball.com/news/walk-off-moves-team-usa-to-2-0-in-pool-play

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45 minutes ago, Cowbell said:

Long time reader, I love MLB draft day and always exciting to add new talent to the Brewer organization.  I was curious about some of the recent signings so I did a deep dive into Chase Bentley.  He played on Team USA’s 15U team in 2022 with Brady Ebel.  In one of the box scores I saw he played against Team Venezuela with a couple of other Brewer farmhands in Nicolas Barrios and Jonathan Rangel.  First post so I hope I’m adding the link correctly.  Click on the box score if interested.  
 

 https://www.usabaseball.com/news/walk-off-moves-team-usa-to-2-0-in-pool-play

Welcome!

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58 minutes ago, Cowbell said:

Long time reader, I love MLB draft day and always exciting to add new talent to the Brewer organization.  I was curious about some of the recent signings so I did a deep dive into Chase Bentley.  He played on Team USA’s 15U team in 2022 with Brady Ebel.  In one of the box scores I saw he played against Team Venezuela with a couple of other Brewer farmhands in Nicolas Barrios and Jonathan Rangel.  First post so I hope I’m adding the link correctly.  Click on the box score if interested.  
 

 https://www.usabaseball.com/news/walk-off-moves-team-usa-to-2-0-in-pool-play

Might go down as the best first post in this site's history! What a find!

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2 hours ago, Cowbell said:

Long time reader, I love MLB draft day and always exciting to add new talent to the Brewer organization.  I was curious about some of the recent signings so I did a deep dive into Chase Bentley.  He played on Team USA’s 15U team in 2022 with Brady Ebel.  In one of the box scores I saw he played against Team Venezuela with a couple of other Brewer farmhands in Nicolas Barrios and Jonathan Rangel.  First post so I hope I’m adding the link correctly.  Click on the box score if interested.  
 

 https://www.usabaseball.com/news/walk-off-moves-team-usa-to-2-0-in-pool-play

I can definitely say, after this absolutely choice nugget:

christopher walken cowbell GIF

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4 hours ago, balsamlaker said:

I get the point of not liking leaving money on the table, but if Holden would have signed for just over a million or Roupe and him would have split the money left, I wouldn't have blinked an eye.

This. I couldn't think of the right wording for what you said, and didn't want to "call out" other posters. But if it had taken the whole pool + 5% to sign the guys that we did get, we would all be singing high praise for Tod and the gang. 

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21 hours ago, Joseph Zarr said:

I can definitely say, after this absolutely choice nugget:

christopher walken cowbell GIF

Beat me to it!

Will Ferrell Cowbell GIF

Welcome @Cowbell!  Great name. 😀

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I do have one critism of this year's draft.  I don't think we should be drafting guys older than I am...

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Or maybe @Brock Beauchamp can fix that one. 😂

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On 7/29/2025 at 9:39 AM, biedergb said:

I would imagine that they kept that carrot of a $800k offer out to someone to bite, and no takers from the 12-16 round crowd. All we can ask is the organization makes the serious effort to sign quality players, and it seems they likely did. This is a far cry from what transpired in the late 90s and a little into the early 00s when it seemed the team didn't try to maximize signing draft picks, or going for higher upside players.

I also can say that I am fully in the Holden camp as my new favorite from this draft - watched a couple interviews on him, and he is so athletic with a chance to have a big power arm. Hopeful for development (command/control), health and well development and health!

They let arguably the most popular player in Brewers history go(not counting Braves player or even Aaron as "Brewers" players) go in Molitor over less than 800K. 

And they made the offers. I don't know that they did this ever, even when they were bad, but if they were going cheap in the first round signing a guy like Payne(which they still need to pay 75%)... just to save money, not to spend money later, that'd be a problem. They're just weren't able to spend above their bonus this year or last, but not due to lack of effort. 

 

And even those bad teams, I wouldn't even say they didn't go after high upside players, but they put so much on the backs of prep pitchers. Huge risk/reward there. Gold, Neugebauer, Sheets, Rogers, Jones, the list is loong. 

There was no real Latin American program. I don't know how they signed Teddy Higuera, but take the LA players out of the equation here and this is a good, not great team and the future... it looks...alright. That LA system seems like it gives the Brewers more room to work in the draft...if that makes sense. They can take a couple chances...and they're working out great. 

 

And yet...they STILL find these guys who hit WALK OFF HOME RUNS... like it's nothing. Just pick up a LFer who takes the first 100m closer deep...things like that!

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18 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

They let arguably the most popular player in Brewers history go(not counting Braves player or even Aaron as "Brewers" players) go in Molitor over less than 800K. 

And they made the offers. I don't know that they did this ever, even when they were bad, but 

The economics of baseball were way different in 1992, but still yes, the organization has generally been one that acts like a small market, but the current owner and the organization in general is much more likely to at least invest money into drafts, draft picks, complex amenities etc as those are investments that can pay off in spades much later.

The 1990s did not see real investment into player development, etc and such there was such a black hole from 1992 - 2007

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2 minutes ago, biedergb said:

The economics of baseball were way different in 1992, but still yes, the organization has generally been one that acts like a small market, but the current owner and the organization in general is much more likely to at least invest money into drafts, draft picks, complex amenities etc as those are investments that can pay off in spades much later.

The 1990s did not see real investment into player development, etc and such there was such a black hole from 1992 - 2007

My keyboard and mouse are... acting weird making it difficult to type. I hadn't really finished my thought, but the economics aren't so different that what Bando did with Molly was justified. 

He wanted him to take a paycut and really, just didn't want him back. They were cutting spending after several big signings(for the period) like Higuera, Stubbs, maybe Wegmen, IDR all of them, but it was 5 maybe 6 guys who were making good money(Pleasac was making a couple M which... it's almost like 1M then is equal 10 in today's money. 

BUT... the important part here is the part in bold. They are making an investment in more than just scouting and signing draft picks, they're really invested in the infastructure of developing the players and they're all in on maxing out their bonus money/IFA money. I did wonder if maybe trading pick #33 was because they were going to be close to 20M and that was just more than they wanted to spend... but you watch Priester pitch and... nope, I was wrong. I thought Civale was just a deal to move him for the first player with a comparable salary and maybe it was and they're that lucky, but I suspect it's as much do to with a VERY deep pro personnel department that is a step ahead of most everyone else.

You wonder who is looking at Priester and saying, 'nah, we can fix that, go give up a borderline top 100 prospect, the 33rd pick and a pitcher for this 1st rd bust, or looking at Vaughn and think he's worth taking a shot at trying to get him to be more selective. 
 

Another thing about Attanasio, he's got a reputation for giving younger guys a chance, he pays them above market rate and he's loyal...and since Lohse, he's stayed out of the decision making(or his well intentioned meddling is a better way to put it perhaps). But right up there with extending young players, I'd be making sure our scouts and those pitching coaches and Charlie Moore are being compensated well enough as I'd be poaching them if I were any other organization. 

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This also reminds me of a discussion we had regarding IFA money. 

Should we be spending 10M on the IFA infrastructure and signings or add that one FA each year. 

Who was the guy this year we almost all thought they should sign? Yoan Moncada. Nobody is trading Made, Pena, Uribe and Chourio(this last year during his rookie season) for 1 year of Yoan Moncada playing 3rd. 

 

Now, if Nestor Cortes had had a normal Nestor Cortes like season, this trade would look even more ridiculous(still don't like giving up Quintana, but we've established...I'm wrong about trades this year). 

But we got a 2.2 WAR upgrade for the league minimium. 

https://stathead.com/baseball/versus-finder.cgi?player_id2=moncad000joh&year_min=2025&player_id1=durbin000cal&seasons_type=forall&request=1&utm_id=durbica01&utm_source=br&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison

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57 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

They let arguably the most popular player in Brewers history go(not counting Braves player or even Aaron as "Brewers" players) go in Molitor over less than 800K. 

And they made the offers. I don't know that they did this ever, even when they were bad, but if they were going cheap in the first round signing a guy like Payne(which they still need to pay 75%)... just to save money, not to spend money later, that'd be a problem. They're just weren't able to spend above their bonus this year or last, but not due to lack of effort. 

 

And even those bad teams, I wouldn't even say they didn't go after high upside players, but they put so much on the backs of prep pitchers. Huge risk/reward there. Gold, Neugebauer, Sheets, Rogers, Jones, the list is loong. 

There was no real Latin American program. I don't know how they signed Teddy Higuera, but take the LA players out of the equation here and this is a good, not great team and the future... it looks...alright. That LA system seems like it gives the Brewers more room to work in the draft...if that makes sense. They can take a couple chances...and they're working out great. 

 

And yet...they STILL find these guys who hit  OFF HOME RUNS... like it's nothing. Just pick up a LFer who takes the first 100m closer deep...things like that!

If the brewers pitching staff was the same as now how many of those guys plus Arnett jungmann  and Jed Bradley would be better  than they were.

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44 minutes ago, ghostdrew said:

If the brewers pitching staff was the same as now how many of those guys plus Arnett jungmann  and Jed Bradley would be better  than they were.

Good question.

Or would it be that they would have scouted someone different with other traits.

Maybe a little of both

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3 hours ago, ghostdrew said:

If the brewers pitching staff was the same as now how many of those guys plus Arnett jungmann  and Jed Bradley would be better  than they were.

It certainly couldn't have hurt, but I don't recall much about any of them. Their spin rates or... even what they threw. 

A big part is identifying the right players. The one guy I think they could have really hit on is Wily Peralta. Upper 90s with that sinker that had a lot of movement plus a slider that was good... at times.

He's the main guy I think they could have really helped, but I'm sure if we'd have taken those guys, we've have gotten a lot more out of them. 

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3 hours ago, ghostdrew said:

If the brewers pitching staff was the same as now how many of those guys plus Arnett jungmann  and Jed Bradley would be better  than they were.

That's what I wonder sometimes. The list of promising pitchers who flamed out because of injuries in this team's history is long. Maybe at least a few of those guys would've stayed healthy if they had the kind of support system our pitchers have today. Maybe Sheets would've stayed healthy and continued to lead the rotation. Hell, imagine if we had BOTH Sheets and Sabathia for the 2008 run. 

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49 minutes ago, narwhalattack said:

That's what I wonder sometimes. The list of promising pitchers who flamed out because of injuries in this team's history is long. Maybe at least a few of those guys would've stayed healthy if they had the kind of support system our pitchers have today. Maybe Sheets would've stayed healthy and continued to lead the rotation. Hell, imagine if we had BOTH Sheets and Sabathia for the 2008 run. 

Yeah thought the same thing but maybe if sheets was healthy we don't trade for CC

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7 hours ago, ghostdrew said:

Yeah thought the same thing but maybe if sheets was healthy we don't trade for CC

Sheets was part of that 2008 season, he and CC were the backbone of the pitching staff. He got injured late in the season - I went back to look it up he pitched through mid-September but late August/early September is when he was not himself - and he made the All Star game that year. The CC trade was in July.

Yovani Gallardo was injured early in the season and that factored into the team needing another starter. If Sheets remained healthy who knows.

Just like with any of the draft picks - Arnett in '09, Jungman/Bradley etc etc.

But back to this year's draft again.....

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On 8/10/2025 at 10:41 PM, narwhalattack said:

That's what I wonder sometimes. The list of promising pitchers who flamed out because of injuries in this team's history is long. Maybe at least a few of those guys would've stayed healthy if they had the kind of support system our pitchers have today. Maybe Sheets would've stayed healthy and continued to lead the rotation. Hell, imagine if we had BOTH Sheets and Sabathia for the 2008 run. 

It goes even further back than that(as it always will for developing pitchers). 

Jones and Rogers had great stuff. But this organization with Sheets? He's not throwing 153 IP his first year in Pro-Ball and then 675 from 23-25. They may have added a Change. 

Parra... he had great stuff. 


That was supposed to be Sheets and Yo and then we trade for CC(and Yo did come back...kinda). But maybe Sheet's arm doesn't fall off, Para develops. 

But all the trial and error and even Gilber Lara got us here. To 2-3 of the top ~20 prospects, not 4/5ths your class on one Salas type player(unless it's Sasaki) and hope you hit. 

I thought back then it was better to trade for Greinke vs CC. Both were rumored to be available, one had team control. Maybe we get a couple more runs with Greinke. We ALMOST certainly don't get THAT run with him. 

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