MLB 2023 Miscellaneous News

[sveumrules]

Yeah, bummer all around for Ohtani.

Will be curious to see how it impacts his free agency. If he wants a ten year deal, you gotta figure he’s only gonna be pitching seven, eight of those years tops.

I’ll still take the over on 499.5 million, though.

[markedman5]

Can you imagine if somebody had emptied the farm to acquire him at the deadline? 

[tmwiese55]

8 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

Can you imagine if somebody had emptied the farm to acquire him at the deadline? 

Who knows on the butterfly effect.   This might not have happened in the alternate timeline.

This was always the tricky part of his contract and paying him like he's two players. He'd already had one TJ surgery (or a major arm one if not TJ) so if another happens will he really be able to do double duty long term.  Really sucks for him and baseball in general that he might not be able to do this long term

[nate82]

1 hour ago, sveumrules said:

Yeah, bummer all around for Ohtani.

Will be curious to see how it impacts his free agency. If he wants a ten year deal, you gotta figure he’s only gonna be pitching seven, eight of those years tops.

I’ll still take the over on 499.5 million, though.

Unless his offense drops off by a lot he still has enough value at DH to be worth the contract through his first five years.  I think he probably only pitches for half of his contract so about five years. 

I don't think his offense will fall off all that much.  I think he will have a career trajectory closer to what Barry Bonds was having from '95-'99 for his 30-35 age season.  I think he may fall off after 35 but I don't think it will be a steep decline maybe he only hits 25-30 HR's a year from age 36-38 and then be basically replacement level for the last two or three years of his contract.

Pitching wise he is probably on the same trajectory as Verlander.  Somehow Verlander has gotten better as he has aged kind of like Nolan Ryan well except for this year that is.

If you take the conservative route of Ohtani being a 35-40 HR player for his age 30-35 seasons and then only pitching for three years of his next contract and he puts up a 3.50 ERA for those three years you have basically received nearly all of his contract worth in the first five years of the contract.  Probably close to 60-70% of the contracts value just in the first five years and that is not even counting the other value that Ohtani would bring in. 

[Team Canada]

Between this, Trout's inability to return from wrist injury, and the general nosedive the Angels have done since the deadline, not trading him was really a terrible decision. Which figures, because it's the Angels.

But at least they were trying!

[Jimbo]

On 8/23/2023 at 9:27 AM, jerichoholicninja said:

I don't understand this at all.

My bad, thinking David Clyde.  First-overall pick of Texas, 1973 (bypassing Yount).  Straight to the majors, 22 days after being drafted.  Didn't pan out well.

"He started one game in 1975, injured his shoulder and was demoted to the minors. He toiled there for three seasons, his maturation and development stunted by shoulder surgery in 1976. In 1978, the Rangers traded Clyde to the Cleveland Indians and one year later – at the age of 24 – he was gone from MLB."

 

[Ro Mueller]

 

[Brewcrew82]

11 minutes ago, damuelle said:

 

Man. Injuries ruined what probably would have been a HOF career based on his on-field performance. Still a heck of a career, though. Most hyped pitching prospect of all time and the greatest pitching debut of all time. 

[sveumrules]

Looks like Stras still has three years and $105M left on his contract. Wonder if he will officially retire and forego that money or get put on the Medically Unable to Perform list or whatever it was that Prince ended up on to still get paid through the end of his deal.

[Brewcrew82]

45 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Looks like Stras still has three years and $105M left on his contract. Wonder if he will officially retire and forego that money or get put on the Medically Unable to Perform list or whatever it was that Prince ended up on to still get paid through the end of his deal.

Sounds like he's retiring due to injury like Prince so he'll still get paid.

[AKCheesehead]

1 hour ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Man. Injuries ruined what probably would have been a HOF career based on his on-field performance. Still a heck of a career, though. Most hyped pitching prospect of all time and the greatest pitching debut of all time. 

Steve Woodard.

[GAME05]

Per someone on Twitter: Stephen Strasburg will continue be paid $35 million annually through 2026 (with about $11.4M deferred each year). He then will receive $26.6M in 2027, 2028 and 2029 in his owed deferred payments. The contract was not insured, leaving the #Nats on the hook for its entirety.

 

 

[Jopal78]

6 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Yeah, bummer all around for Ohtani.

Will be curious to see how it impacts his free agency. If he wants a ten year deal, you gotta figure he’s only gonna be pitching seven, eight of those years tops.

I’ll still take the over on 499.5 million, though.

He could transition to a late inning reliever. DH then enter the game to close it out, or even go multi innings at the end, that’d be almost as valuable as a SP. 

[JosephC]

Beats Chris Davis for the worst contract in MLB history IMO, providing the early reports are correct and the Nationals will pay him the remainder of his contract.

7 years, 245 million

End result = 8 games pitched, 31 1/3 innings, 32 hits allowed, 17 walks, 28 strikeouts, 1.56 WHIP, 5.69 FIP, -0.5 bWAR

Not a wise contract considering the history of elbow problems and shoulder inflammation issues that he had for years before signing the deal.  This guy was prime candidate #1 to have him arm fall off and it's no surprise that this was the end result.

[Brewcrew82]

28 minutes ago, AKCheesehead said:

Steve Woodard.

Strasburg is right there with 7 innings and 14 Ks 0 BBs. Not to mention the fact that he entered that game as perhaps the most hyped pitching prospect in major league history. 

[sveumrules]

From 2008-10, the Nationals went 187-298, only the Pirates at 186-299 were worse.

From 2012-19 the Nationals went 730-566, only the Dodgers at 757-540 were better.

From 2020-today the Nationals have gone 204-307, only the Pirates at 199-312 have been worse.

[Jopal78]

17 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

From 2008-10, the Nationals went 187-298, only the Pirates at 186-299 were worse.

From 2012-19 the Nationals went 730-566, only the Dodgers at 757-540 were better.

From 2020-today the Nationals have gone 204-307, only the Pirates at 199-312 have been worse.

Aren’t the Nationals really a small market club masquerading as one of the big boys because of all the deferred money they handed out to Scherzer, Strasburg,  Corbin.

Outside Strasburg and Corbin, they have Trevor Williams making 6.5 million and nobody else making more than 3 million. 
 

Strasburg retiring probably helps their balance sheet tremendously. 

[owbc]

6 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Aren’t the Nationals really a small market club masquerading as one of the big boys because of all the deferred money they handed out to Scherzer, Strasburg,  Corbin.

Outside Strasburg and Corbin, they have Trevor Williams making 6.5 million and nobody else making more than 3 million. 
 

Strasburg retiring probably helps their balance sheet tremendously. 

See above. They have to pay out the entire thing. No insurance. 

Someone on reddit posted an analysis of the value vs. expected value of the 90 completed contracts in MLB history worth $100 million or more (inflation-adjusted). Strasburg ranks 90/90 on that list. Prince Fielder's contract with the Tigers is ranked 87/90. 

[sveumrules]

3 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Aren’t the Nationals really a small market club masquerading as one of the big boys.

This says they have the 8th largest market in MLB, though the Orioles have had territorial rights forever so I believe there is/has been ongoing dispute over TV money from MASN.

MLBTR has the Lerners among the half dozen richest owners in terms of personal wealth.

 

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, sveumrules said:

This says they have the 8th largest market in MLB, though the Orioles have had territorial rights forever so I believe there is/has been ongoing dispute over TV money from MASN.

MLBTR has the Lerners among the half dozen richest owners in terms of personal wealth.

 

I don’t know how much the owners personal wealth matters in the equation because there are not many owners (if any outside Cohen and Seidler)  who are known to pour their personal wealth into baseball operations of their teams. 
 

Certainly their roster makeup suggests a small market attitude (one or two names and a bunch of bargain players) even if it’s not wholly accurate to call them small market. 

 

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, owbc said:

See above. They have to pay out the entire thing. No insurance. 

Someone on reddit posted an analysis of the value vs. expected value of the 90 completed contracts in MLB history worth $100 million or more (inflation-adjusted). Strasburg ranks 90/90 on that list. Prince Fielder's contract with the Tigers is ranked 87/90. 

I assume there is some bum information there. If Strasburg himself declines to play when the team is ready willing and able to pay him if he shows up would seem to in all logical scenarios relieve the Nationals of the obligation of paying him. 

[LouisEly]

3 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Strasburg is right there with 7 innings and 14 Ks 0 BBs. Not to mention the fact that he entered that game as perhaps the most hyped pitching prospect in major league history. 

Strasburg game score: 75

Woodard game score: 91

Clemens' game score, pitching opposite of Woodard, was also higher than Strasburg's (79).

[tmwiese55]

1 hour ago, Jopal78 said:

I assume there is some bum information there. If Strasburg himself declines to play when the team is ready willing and able to pay him if he shows up would seem to in all logical scenarios relieve the Nationals of the obligation of paying him. 

It would depend on the medicals.  If the doctors say he's physically unable to play (like Prince) then they owe him the money.  Otherwise yea he'd have to go through the motions of showing up every year or negotiate a buyout.    Sure seems like a Prince situation to me though, but they stupidly didn't insure it. 

[LouisEly]

Grichuk has a 491 OPS since acquired, Cron 563 OPS and is on the IL.

Through 26 PAs, Schanuel has a .538 OBP.  Not OPS - OBP.

[igor67]

My baseball listening was getting erratic during those years, but I definitely remember listening to Woodard's game and I was a pretty big Clemens fan at the time so it was something else to listen too.