2023 MLB Postseason Discussion

[markedman5]

10 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Dave Roberts is going to get fired and then get hired by the Giants. Dodgers could be another CC suitor...

He’s not getting fired…….easy now.

[Bulldogboy]

16 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

He’s not getting fired…….easy now.

Robert's is definitely getting fired.

[Bulldogboy]

This marketplace sets up so good for Arnold and the Brewers to get back max value for Burnes and any other pitchers they want to deal. Big market teams flaming out like this going to drive up the price. I don't even want to hear about Burnes coming back and taking a draft pick. Now is the time.

[Brewcrew82]

Yeah, Betts and Freeman just choked.

[Bulldogboy]

I saw the Brewers beat up on Dbacks in Chase field two years ago and at the time I thought they were the worst team I had seen in a long time. They were pathetic. Brewers not being able to have any playoff success since 2018 is just remarkable to me. 

[homer]

 

 

[adambr2]

Why can't we ever be the weird 85-90ish win team that gets hot out of nowhere in October and suddenly can't lose?

[Baldkin]

The anger from the usual suspects because it's not Boston NY LA and they need clicks is surreal

[HarryDoyle]

To say the least. this has been a very unusual post season.

[BruisedCrew]

5 hours ago, adambr2 said:

Why can't we ever be the weird 85-90ish win team that gets hot out of nowhere in October and suddenly can't lose?

The Brewers kind of did that in 2018, but they started in September to pull out the division, sweep the division series, and take a 2-1 lead over the Dodgers before they cooled off. 
 

We’ll see if the DBacks, who staggered to the end of the season and have now won 5 in a row, can maintain that into the NLCS.

[torts]

21 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

The Brewers kind of did that in 2018, but they started in September to pull out the division, sweep the division series, and take a 2-1 lead over the Dodgers before they cooled off. 
 

We’ll see if the DBacks, who staggered to the end of the season and have now won 5 in a row, can maintain that into the NLCS.

Against a red hot Phillies team too 

[homer]

Cue 7 game series next year...

 

 

[Bulldogboy]

The Dodgers seem to sign everyone but they let Seager get away who was a home grown stud. Gm should be on the hot seat.

[BruisedCrew]

2 hours ago, torts said:

Against a red hot Phillies team too 

I think the Phillies are just an outstanding team that can slug it out with the Braves. Their full season record is not as gaudy because they started 25-32 while they worked through some things, mainly waiting for Harper to return and get into condition and dealing with Hoskins’ season ending injury. Turner also got off to a terrible start. 
 

I looked up their records with different pitchers starting and they were 72-43 with their top 4 pitchers starting (Wheeler, Nola, Walker, and Suarez) but 18-29 when anyone else started. With the tightened rotations in the playoffs and that lineup clicking they are more formidable than just hot. 
 

I compare the Phillies to the 19 Nats. A team that was much stronger at the end of the season than indicated by their full season record. 

[kestrel79]

It's pretty exciting see some of the underdog teams make it. Even though they beat us, I'll be rooting for the D-Backs.

But I agree why can't it ever be us that's the 84 team win team that barely gets in and we get hot and win the whole thing? :)

[Underachiever]

11 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

What the Dodgers need is Corbin Burnes. They will get Buehler back next season, but they need an ace.

Kershaw might be done this time. 

Burnes wouldn't miss a beat on the Dodgers. Their starters can't pitch in the post-season, either.

[jerichoholicninja]

While I guess it's "exciting" to see underdog teams do well in the playoffs it really cheapens what it means to win the world series to me. If we get a DBacks/Rangers world series, whoever wins, does anyone really feel like either of these teams are championship worthy? Neither would have been considered one of the best teams in baseball at any point during the regular season. I see so many posters lamenting that the Brewers will never win a world series in their lifetime for whatever reason but I just can't get too emotionally invested in the results of a handful of games over 3 weeks especially now when almost half the league makes the playoffs.

[homer]

1 hour ago, jerichoholicninja said:

While I guess it's "exciting" to see underdog teams do well in the playoffs it really cheapens what it means to win the world series to me. If we get a DBacks/Rangers world series, whoever wins, does anyone really feel like either of these teams are championship worthy? Neither would have been considered one of the best teams in baseball at any point during the regular season. I see so many posters lamenting that the Brewers will never win a world series in their lifetime for whatever reason but I just can't get too emotionally invested in the results of a handful of games over 3 weeks especially now when almost half the league makes the playoffs.

Yeah the playoffs are better but I don't think it's set up for the best teams to advance. And I've felt that way since the Cardinals won it all with an 83-win team. 

[owbc]

Maybe we're just living in an Astros dynasty and everyone else is mediocre? They don't seem to have any problems with the postseason format. And they also seem to have figured out that regular season wins don't matter. 

Same for the Phillies perhaps. Didn't Castellanos admit last year that he doesn't try as hard in the regular season? 

It's increasingly likely that the World Series will be a rematch of last year. That doesn't seem like random luck. 

[Nola Beery]

I'm sure if the Brewers were still playing, I'd feel differently, BUT.... I just can't enjoy the "postseason" (a name I hate) as much as the regular season.  In the regular season, there's always tomorrow to look forward to.  Or there's always a different game or team to watch or listen to.  However, a leisurely summer of a wonderful 19th-Century pastoral game simply isn't quite enough for most people today.  (See George Carlin's comparison of baseball and football.)  The expanded playoffs, with all the pressure and finality, feed our culture's  need for constant and instant amusement and stimulation.  And I appreciate the drama of teams fighting it out for the last wildcard spot. But anything less than a best-of-7 series seems inadequate to decide a winner. The current MLB playoffs are like running a 100-meter dash after a marathon, where the marathon winner starts in the same place as the runners who barely finished.  That said, I don't know how I would change anything.  When is opening day 2024?   

[jerichoholicninja]

3 minutes ago, Nola Beery said:

I'm sure if the Brewers were still playing, I'd feel differently, BUT.... I just can't enjoy the "postseason" (a name I hate) as much as the regular season.  In the regular season, there's always tomorrow to look forward to.  Or there's always a different game or team to watch or listen to.  However, a leisurely summer of a wonderful 19th-Century pastoral game simply isn't quite enough for most people today.  (See George Carlin's comparison of baseball and football.)  The expanded playoffs, with all the pressure and finality, feed our culture's  need for constant and instant amusement and stimulation.  And I appreciate the drama of teams fighting it out for the last wildcard spot. But anything less than a best-of-7 series seems inadequate to decide a winner. The current MLB playoffs are like running a 100-meter dash after a marathon, where the marathon winner starts in the same place as the runners who barely finished.  That said, I don't know how I would change anything.  When is opening day 2024?   

I agree 100% with this. MLB playoffs don't interest me at all. I haven't watched any Brewers playoff games since the Hader implosion in Washington. I don't think I've watched any other teams games since I turned off game 7 during the rain delay of the Cubs/Indians series.

As a fan, baseball is all about not getting hung up on the loss today because there's another game tomorrow. Not so in the playoffs. For the players and the teams, the regular season is all about depth and using your whole roster to get through the season. In the playoffs, you ride a handful of pitchers and the bottom of your bench rarely sees the field. It's a totally different game than the one they just spent the last 6+ months playing. And it's not very interesting. Unless your favorite team is winning.

[Nola Beery]

3 hours ago, jerichoholicninja said:

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As a fan, baseball is all about not getting hung up on the loss today because there's another game tomorrow. Not so in the playoffs. For the players and the teams, the regular season is all about depth and using your whole roster to get through the season. In the playoffs, you ride a handful of pitchers, and the bottom of your bench rarely sees the field. It's a totally different game than the one they just spent the last 6+ months playing. And it's not very interesting. Unless your favorite team is winning.

This really sums it up better than I could do!

[nate82]

2 hours ago, jerichoholicninja said:

While I guess it's "exciting" to see underdog teams do well in the playoffs it really cheapens what it means to win the world series to me. If we get a DBacks/Rangers world series, whoever wins, does anyone really feel like either of these teams are championship worthy? Neither would have been considered one of the best teams in baseball at any point during the regular season. I see so many posters lamenting that the Brewers will never win a world series in their lifetime for whatever reason but I just can't get too emotionally invested in the results of a handful of games over 3 weeks especially now when almost half the league makes the playoffs.

I disagree on the Rangers not being one of the best teams in baseball at any point during the regular season.  All the way up to the point the Rangers played the Brewers they were on pace for a 90+ win season.  The Rangers are definitely championship worthy.  They only lost the division on the last series of the year.  If they win one more game they are the #2 seed in the AL.  How is that not a championship worthy team? 

The Rangers went 90-72.  That is definitely a championship worthy team.

[homer]

"Wins" is a fragile separator too I suppose. The difference between 100 wins and 88 wins is 2 extra wins per month.

[owbc]

1 hour ago, Nola Beery said:

I'm sure if the Brewers were still playing, I'd feel differently, BUT.... I just can't enjoy the "postseason" (a name I hate) as much as the regular season.  In the regular season, there's always tomorrow to look forward to.  Or there's always a different game or team to watch or listen to.  However, a leisurely summer of a wonderful 19th-Century pastoral game simply isn't quite enough for most people today.  (See George Carlin's comparison of baseball and football.)  The expanded playoffs, with all the pressure and finality, feed our culture's  need for constant and instant amusement and stimulation.  And I appreciate the drama of teams fighting it out for the last wildcard spot. But anything less than a best-of-7 series seems inadequate to decide a winner. The current MLB playoffs are like running a 100-meter dash after a marathon, where the marathon winner starts in the same place as the runners who barely finished.  That said, I don't know how I would change anything.  When is opening day 2024?   

My main issue is that the quality of the postseason baseball is really, really bad this year. It's little more than home run derby and most of the games have been blowouts. Phillies/Braves game 2 is the only DS game that was any good. The Brewers/D-Backs wild card were actually pretty good as well, but not a single wild card series even made it to the third game. 

I don't even think juiced baseballs are to blame -- it's just the natural response to bullpen optimization. Nobody will ever be able to string hits together, so everybody waits for the one mistake pitch that they can hit for a home run. Occasionally somebody comes in who can't pitch and you get like 4-6 runs scored in a span of like 5 minutes, then nothing for the next 2+ hours. The solution to this is to deaden the baseball, but nobody is ever going to allow that to happen.