Prospect voting for July is complete, thank you for voting!

[CheeseheadInQC]

As always, because I had half an hour waiting for dinner to cook, here are some notes based off my calculations from just these ballots:

Adams, Lara and Rodriguez were so close that when I calculated by moving all of the scores up to fill the Levonas slots Adams leapt the other two.

Top 5 left out: Burke, Brown, Meccage, Areinamo, Smith

Getting one vote: Rodriguez, Di Turi, Crow, Guilarte, Hall

[jay87shot]

12 hours ago, jay87shot said:

1. Jacob Misiorowski
2. Jeferson Quero
3. Tyler Black
4. Robert Gasser
5. Brock Wilken
6. Carlos F Rodriguez
7. Cooper Pratt
8. Mike Boeve
9. Luis Lara
10. Yophery Rodriguez
11. Josh Knoth
12. Eric Brown Jr
13. Logan Henderson
14.  
15. Luke Adams
16. Eric Bitonti
17. Brett Wichrowski
18. Juan Baez
19. Tyler Woessner
20. Dylan O'Rae

1. Misi- The stuff is still there, probably more like a top 50 prospect than tip 20 in my book. The top 3 are all close.

2. Black- Wherever he plays the bat will be good with some power coming through. Again probably borderline top 50.

3. Quero- If he comes back like last year probably #1 overall in the system but I have to hold the injure against him some. Probably borderline top 50 as well.

4. Pratt- Needs to get to Appleton, some more power and he could be #1 at the end of the year. Top feels right.

5. Yophery Rodriguez- The 5 tools are starting to shine recently. Plate discipline is improving it seems.

6. Gasser- Hard to rank with the injury, 7 feels ok with the solid big league debut but out a year.

7. Knoth- At 18 has held his own in A ball, the stuff looks great.

8. Wilken- He was the hardest to rank for me could decide between 5-10. Good to see the power coming through.

9. Henderson- 64k to bb in 45 innings is great, last couple starts haven't been great.

10. Wichrowski- Solid stuff, has adjusted to AA, looking for a great end to year.

11. Letson- Has been wonder in A ball, if he can add some mph's over the next few years there could be top of the rotation stuff.

12. Bitonti- As good as it gets in rookie ball, needs A ball. The power plays.

13. Boeve- AA seems good, is going to need to add some pop to be a big time prospect.

14-17 Payne, Levonas, McCabe, Burke  I am going to lump the 4 big rookies in together.

18-Adams- The most overlook prospect in the system. With the huge obp, underappriciated speed, and big power lots to dream on at 20.

19. Lara- Hasn't been terrible and at 19 in A+ is great. Just not as sparkly as I hoped.

20. Arienamo- I probably should have him higher, has bee great. Some power showing and even taking some walks.

21. Yoho- At 24 and a reliever I have a hard time going higher but I could see him in the top 10 easy.

22. P Car Rod   Not great this year but still young enough to be a big time stater. 

23.Baez.  Solid year, at 19 there is plenty of upside.

24. O'Rae.  Probably should have stayed in A+, but the speed and eye will play.

25-27 Pena, Made, Anderson.  As a rule I don't try and over rank players in the Dominican league but I could see these guys close to the top 10.

28. Manny Rodriguez- A few more mph and I would have him in the top 15 easy. It's crazy that he could be this low.

29. Shane Smith- Working well as a starter, another good potential pitcher barely in the top 30.

30. Di Turi- Hasn't been great in A ball but we saw the upside early.

31-40 EBJ, Ademcechzki, Ortuna, Birchard, Blalock, Kuehner, Herrera, Cornielle, Hunt, Patrick

Something went wrong with my top portion??? The bottom part is my list.

[bigred]

20 hours ago, jay87shot said:

1. Jacob Misiorowski
2. Jeferson Quero
3. Tyler Black
4. Robert Gasser
5. Brock Wilken
6. Carlos F Rodriguez
7. Cooper Pratt
8. Mike Boeve
9. Luis Lara
10. Yophery Rodriguez
11. Josh Knoth
12. Eric Brown Jr
13. Logan Henderson
14.  
15. Luke Adams
16. Eric Bitonti
17. Brett Wichrowski
18. Juan Baez
19. Tyler Woessner
20. Dylan O'Rae

1. Misi- The stuff is still there, probably more like a top 50 prospect than tip 20 in my book. The top 3 are all close.

2. Black- Wherever he plays the bat will be good with some power coming through. Again probably borderline top 50.

3. Quero- If he comes back like last year probably #1 overall in the system but I have to hold the injure against him some. Probably borderline top 50 as well.

4. Pratt- Needs to get to Appleton, some more power and he could be #1 at the end of the year. Top feels right.

5. Yophery Rodriguez- The 5 tools are starting to shine recently. Plate discipline is improving it seems.

6. Gasser- Hard to rank with the injury, 7 feels ok with the solid big league debut but out a year.

7. Knoth- At 18 has held his own in A ball, the stuff looks great.

8. Wilken- He was the hardest to rank for me could decide between 5-10. Good to see the power coming through.

9. Henderson- 64k to bb in 45 innings is great, last couple starts haven't been great.

10. Wichrowski- Solid stuff, has adjusted to AA, looking for a great end to year.

11. Letson- Has been wonder in A ball, if he can add some mph's over the next few years there could be top of the rotation stuff.

12. Bitonti- As good as it gets in rookie ball, needs A ball. The power plays.

13. Boeve- AA seems good, is going to need to add some pop to be a big time prospect.

14-17 Payne, Levonas, McCabe, Burke  I am going to lump the 4 big rookies in together.

18-Adams- The most overlook prospect in the system. With the huge obp, underappriciated speed, and big power lots to dream on at 20.

19. Lara- Hasn't been terrible and at 19 in A+ is great. Just not as sparkly as I hoped.

20. Arienamo- I probably should have him higher, has bee great. Some power showing and even taking some walks.

21. Yoho- At 24 and a reliever I have a hard time going higher but I could see him in the top 10 easy.

22. P Car Rod   Not great this year but still young enough to be a big time stater. 

23.Baez.  Solid year, at 19 there is plenty of upside.

24. O'Rae.  Probably should have stayed in A+, but the speed and eye will play.

25-27 Pena, Made, Anderson.  As a rule I don't try and over rank players in the Dominican league but I could see these guys close to the top 10.

28. Manny Rodriguez- A few more mph and I would have him in the top 15 easy. It's crazy that he could be this low.

29. Shane Smith- Working well as a starter, another good potential pitcher barely in the top 30.

30. Di Turi- Hasn't been great in A ball but we saw the upside early.

31-40 EBJ, Ademcechzki, Ortuna, Birchard, Blalock, Kuehner, Herrera, Cornielle, Hunt, Patrick

Levonas in the 14-17 group? He didn't sign.

[jay87shot]

1 hour ago, bigred said:

Levonas in the 14-17 group? He didn't sign.

Yeah I just put everyone in and figured if they didn't sign the admission would just take him out.

[duewizard]

This is Areinamo slander!!! 

He has been so good this year

[Austin Tatious]

Brock Wilken vs Luke Adams.  Might be interesting to see who gets a more workable hit tool first.  Wilken does have a rocket arm and I’m not sure whether Adams really ends up at third as first might be more realistic.  This is worth watching. 
 

[wallus]

2 minutes ago, Austin Tatious said:

Brock Wilken vs Luke Adams.  Might be interesting to see who gets a more workable hit tool first.  Wilken does have a rocket arm and I’m not sure whether Adams really ends up at third as first might be more realistic.  This is worth watching. 
 

We really need one of these guys to hit

[Austin Tatious]

I think we can all agree that Chourio is exceeding expectations as a 20 year old phenom. 

You can’t put that kind of expectation on any other prospect, regarding a fast track or in general.  

Yophery Rodriguez may not be another Chourio but he’s showing signs of being a future major leaguer.

But, man, Luis Pena and Jesus Made have been electric.  We can all agree that the pitching at that level is no bueno.  But if one or both of these guys end up fast tracking and producing, that would not be out of the realm of possibility.  Sure, of course they could end up being stymied at any level of promotion but they sure look the part of being the next phenoms.  

We have a contingent of fans who like to bag on Attanasio for not spending money.  Speaking only for myself, I’m very happy with how he’s expending resources on player procurement, development, analytics, etc.   That aspect, to me, is why we have emerged as one of the top organizations in baseball.  There’s a ton of rebuilding going on this year, yet we are up by 10 games in our division with a host of injuries to boot.  The organization is superb at investing in analytics, drafting, player development, the pitching lab, uncovering gems in LA, etc.   They’ve zigged when others have zagged and taken advantage of inefficiencies.  They built up great connections in Venezuela that have yielded organization-altering results.  We’ve got a state of the art facility in the Dominican coming online.

Look at all the bullpen arms they’ve secured from other organizations and then gotten them to flourish.  Everyone reveres the Dodgers yet we snuck Hudson out of there.  It’s not just him.   It’s a ton of guys.   Does anyone want to argue that that is a fluke or coincidence?  Of course not.  

The fact that the organization has not skipped a beat despite the losses of Counsell and Stearns demonstrates that this is an organizational victory.  While I credit those two for helping with the initial vision, it’s not about one or two people.  

I am much happier with these organizational investments than I’d be squandering money on mediocrities like Looper, Suppan, et al. I think Mark has learned from those mis-fires and he’s pivoted.  He’s allocating resources differently and it’s led to this franchise being one of the best organizations in baseball.  

[SF70]

8 hours ago, Austin Tatious said:

I think we can all agree that Chourio is exceeding expectations as a 20 year old phenom. 

You can’t put that kind of expectation on any other prospect, regarding a fast track or in general.  

Yophery Rodriguez may not be another Chourio but he’s showing signs of being a future major leaguer.

But, man, Luis Pena and Jesus Made have been electric.  We can all agree that the pitching at that level is no bueno.  But if one or both of these guys end up fast tracking and producing, that would not be out of the realm of possibility.  Sure, of course they could end up being stymied at any level of promotion but they sure look the part of being the next phenoms.  

We have a contingent of fans who like to bag on Attanasio for not spending money.  Speaking only for myself, I’m very happy with how he’s expending resources on player procurement, development, analytics, etc.   That aspect, to me, is why we have emerged as one of the top organizations in baseball.  There’s a ton of rebuilding going on this year, yet we are up by 10 games in our division with a host of injuries to boot.  The organization is superb at investing in analytics, drafting, player development, the pitching lab, uncovering gems in LA, etc.   They’ve zigged when others have zagged and taken advantage of inefficiencies.  They built up great connections in Venezuela that have yielded organization-altering results.  We’ve got a state of the art facility in the Dominican coming online.

Look at all the bullpen arms they’ve secured from other organizations and then gotten them to flourish.  Everyone reveres the Dodgers yet we snuck Hudson out of there.  It’s not just him.   It’s a ton of guys.   Does anyone want to argue that that is a fluke or coincidence?  Of course not.  

The fact that the organization has not skipped a beat despite the losses of Counsell and Stearns demonstrates that this is an organizational victory.  While I credit those two for helping with the initial vision, it’s not about one or two people.  

I am much happier with these organizational investments than I’d be squandering money on mediocrities like Looper, Suppan, et al. I think Mark has learned from those mis-fires and he’s pivoted.  He’s allocating resources differently and it’s led to this franchise being one of the best organizations in baseball.  

Absolutely spot-on post and I couldn’t agree more.

This team has as good of a pipeline of prospect talent as there is in this game. having installed a dynamic core of positionals while also building one of the deepest farm systems in baseball, with probably the top teenage talent in the game.

Imo, their international department is currently the best in baseball. Their new SOTA Dominican Academy has given them a leg up in Latin America that has/will allow them to sign many of the players their superior scouts want signed. 

Made-Pena are special talents, with Made a Chourio-like talent according to scouts. This type of international talent procurement is franchise-altering because it gives MKE access to talent only available to teams with the 1st pick or two in the domestic draft.

Its not too difficult projecting having 2 superstar players, playing with each-other for 6+ years and what that can do for this franchise, especially with more dynamic, controllable talent playing with them.

 

[biedergb]

2 hours ago, SF70 said:

Made-Pena are special talents, with Made a Chourio-like talent according to scouts.

That may be a bit early. I think Made is a great prospect and could be like Chourio, Lara or Yophery in that he debuts at Carolina next year. That’s a big jump. So not ready to anoint him anything than the best DSL prospect we have coming stateside. 
However that depth is what is encouraging.  One of Pratt/Yophery/Made should likely give the organization a chance at a top 10 prospect in the next year or two (so all eggs are not in one basket)  Then it’s the good players where there are plenty to help fill the roster. But a core of Contreras, Chourio and Pratt/Yophery/Made, along with Ortiz/Tursng, Frelick/Mitchell etc is encouraging.

That’s what I love most about this current group of prospects, there are 2-5 players at a position (SS, of, 3B etc) or with a particular skill set (power, speed, defense) so that as long as one (and ideally a couple) pan out it’s great. Unlike other times in the past when an injury or sheer lack of development of a particular player ultimately affected roster construction as well as overall team prospect rankings. 

[SF70]

1 hour ago, biedergb said:

That may be a bit early. I think Made is a great prospect and could be like Chourio, Lara or Yophery in that he debuts at Carolina next year. That’s a big jump. So not ready to anoint him anything than the best DSL prospect we have coming stateside. 
However that depth is what is encouraging.  One of Pratt/Yophery/Made should likely give the organization a chance at a top 10 prospect in the next year or two (so all eggs are not in one basket)  Then it’s the good players where there are plenty to help fill the roster. But a core of Contreras, Chourio and Pratt/Yophery/Made, along with Ortiz/Tursng, Frelick/Mitchell etc is encouraging.

That’s what I love most about this current group of prospects, there are 2-5 players at a position (SS, of, 3B etc) or with a particular skill set (power, speed, defense) so that as long as one (and ideally a couple) pan out it’s great. Unlike other times in the past when an injury or sheer lack of development of a particular player ultimately affected roster construction as well as overall team prospect rankings. 

Respectfully disagree that Made should be grouped with Lara-YRod. He’s a far superior prospect to either based on his 5-tool talent, EV’s, contact-rate, etc.

Sometimes, like Chourio, star players make themselves known as future star players early on, and I think this is where we are with Made.

I see Pena as a tick or two behind Made talent-wise, but also a superior prospect to Lara-YRod. 

I know it’s early with Made, but sometimes the talent is just overwhelming enough to just know a future star is in the making.

[biedergb]

Fair enough. I believe Made could be that talented, but want to see him in the Carolina league next year. And I also think we are underrating Yophery. He’s not Chourio, but having a very solid first stateside pro season. He could be a 4-5 tool prospect, as could Pratt.

[wiguy94]

2 hours ago, biedergb said:

Fair enough. I believe Made could be that talented, but want to see him in the Carolina league next year. And I also think we are underrating Yophery. He’s not Chourio, but having a very solid first stateside pro season. He could be a 4-5 tool prospect, as could Pratt.

Pratt has a 90th percentile EV of 100 as a 19/20 year old. Made has a 90th percentile EV of 104 as a 17 year old. Obviously Made is facing easier pitching, but he has flashed much bigger tools than both Pratt and Yophery have. Pratt and Yophery to me both seem more like "jack of all trades, master of none" type guys where it's just a lot of 50-55 grade tools and no like clear plus or carrying tool. I agree we need to wait and see Made stateside before we can truly get a great read on him, but right now he's absolutely tracking as a better prospect than Pratt and Yophery which is why he's found his way onto multiple Top 100 lists already as a DSL player which is really difficult.

[Joseph Zarr]

21 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

Pratt has a 90th percentile EV of 100 as a 19/20 year old. Made has a 90th percentile EV of 104 as a 17 year old. Obviously Made is facing easier pitching, but he has flashed much bigger tools than both Pratt and Yophery have. Pratt and Yophery to me both seem more like "jack of all trades, master of none" type guys where it's just a lot of 50-55 grade tools and no like clear plus or carrying tool. I agree we need to wait and see Made stateside before we can truly get a great read on him, but right now he's absolutely tracking as a better prospect than Pratt and Yophery which is why he's found his way onto multiple Top 100 lists already as a DSL player which is really difficult.

Psssst. PSSSSSSST.

Just smacked his 9th double, stole his 28th base, smacked his 6th HR in his second to last DSL contest. Enjoy the final days of: "I wonder what we really have with this young stud!?!". There are absolutely zero doubts in this old head's mind he is starting in Low-A Carolina. He is an unreal prospect. OPS back to 1.010 in 175 DSL AB's in his age 17 season.

[biedergb]

5 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

Just smacked his 9th double, stole his 28th base, smacked his 6th HR in his second to last DSL contest. Enjoy the final days of: "I wonder what we really have with this young stud!?!". There are absolutely zero doubts in this old head's mind he is starting in Low-A Carolina. He is an unreal prospect. OPS back to 1.010 in 175 DSL AB's in his age 17 season.

I know. I know. I get it. I'm excited as anyone about him, just want to see how he looks when he get to low A.

I see wiguy94's points and hear you too Joseph.

I can only hope he is the next phenom in our pipeline.

[Jim Goulart]

So much goodness here, but the take on Eric Bitonti may be my favorite. Misiorowski kicks things off at 43.

 

[Jim Goulart]

 

[Jim Goulart]

Via the "Wisconsin Sports Daily Show" with Steve "Sparky" Fifer: "MLB Pipeline's Sam Dykstra discusses the Brewers' farm system and some of the organization's top prospects in comparison to other teams and the names they have on MLB Pipeline's Top 100 Prospects."

[jay87shot]

Where do we think Braylon Payne slots in? I am sure we will be waiting until the end of the year to do another vote but just curious. mlb.com has him 9, we had him 18, basically everywhere else was somewhere between there. I don't want to overreact to essentially 1 good game but my guess is somewhere around 10 is ok.

[sveumrules]

11 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

Where do we think Braylon Payne slots in? I am sure we will be waiting until the end of the year to do another vote but just curious. mlb.com has him 9, we had him 18, basically everywhere else was somewhere between there. I don't want to overreact to essentially 1 good game but my guess is somewhere around 10 is ok.

Yeah, probably have another vote after the postseason or the AFL is over to have a fresh list for the offseason.

Looks like Braylon was mostly slotted in the teens this go round, but he did get a #8 and #10 for his two highest placements.

For me personally I’ve got Misio & Pratt in the top tier, then Black/Quero/Gasser in their own little holding pattern tier.

After that I’d have Braylon somewhere in the next grouping with Henderson, Yophery, Made, Peña, Adams, Yoho and Knoth for spots six to thirteen.

I’d have the third basemen - Bitonti, Wilken, Boeve - after that.

Lotsa viable options for the final four spots but I’d probably lean Lara, Hunt, Carlos Rodriguez the pitcher and Jose Anderson at the moment.

[Brewcrew82]

On 9/9/2024 at 10:37 AM, sveumrules said:

Yeah, probably have another vote after the postseason or the AFL is over to have a fresh list for the offseason.

Looks like Braylon was mostly slotted in the teens this go round, but he did get a #8 and #10 for his two highest placements.

For me personally I’ve got Misio & Pratt in the top tier, then Black/Quero/Gasser in their own little holding pattern tier.

After that I’d have Braylon somewhere in the next grouping with Henderson, Yophery, Made, Peña, Adams, Yoho and Knoth for spots six to thirteen.

I’d have the third basemen - Bitonti, Wilken, Boeve - after that.

Lotsa viable options for the final four spots but I’d probably lean Lara, Hunt, Carlos Rodriguez the pitcher and Jose Anderson at the moment.

Not voting season yet obviously, but what the heck why not another unsolicited personal top 10 :)

1) Quero

Still the best combination of youth, upside, positional scarcity, and proximity to the majors. He'll have to prove that his cannon is untouched by the injury, but there's no reason right now to doubt a full recovery.

2) Misiorowski

Right there with Quero in terms of upside and proximity, but remaining questions surrounding control and whether he'll be able to stick as a starter enough to slot him behind Quero.

3) Made

I'm highly reluctant to slot a guy this high who's yet to touch full-season ball, but when you have services like BA and ESPN already ranking him as a top 100 prospect and the combo of batted ball data and contact that this guy is showing at barely 17 years of age, you really have no choice. Kiley McDaniel has him ranked ahead of Ethan Holliday, the prohibitive favorite to be selected #1 in next summer's draft and a candidate for immediate top 20 placement upon his drafting, for best 17 year old on the planet. LONG way to go obviously and things can always go wrong, but he's a lot more likely to shoot up to the Brewers #1 prospect by next summer than he is to fall out of the top 10/5 or something, so why not rank him here now. 

4) Pratt

Only 20 and can do everything on the diamond, with the power just starting to show signs of materializing. 

5) Gasser

Too bad TJ cut short what was looking like a quick ascent to a middle of the rotation starter. 

6) Bitonti

3rd baseman, but power is impressive for an 18 year old and he's shown that it will translate to full season ball.

7) Black

Really rough season for him, especially in terms of his peripherals, but the trademark plate discipline remains. Still has no positional home.

8) Wilken

Another guy who had a rough season, but the light tower power and the ability to play 3B remains and you wonder how much getting hit in the face threw a wrench into things. 

9) Payne

Only just turned 18 and a super impressive full season cameo with suprising EV #s. If he develops power, his upside is as big as anyone this side of Made.

10) Henderson

Has slowed down some in AAA, but he's also throwing as many innings as he ever has and you can't ignore what he's shown over multiple levels this year. Will he develop that 3rd pitch?

Chourio graduating and Quero being injured and Black falling off means we'll head into the offseason lower in the rankings than last year, but you can see the potential to shoot back up into the top 10/5 with guys in the lower minors like Made, Payne, Bitonti, Pratt, Pena, etc. and potential bounce backs from guys in the upper minors like Wilken and Quero.

[Brewcrew82]

Yep. Feel free to move Made into the top 10/5 of your prospect rankings folks....This level of praise for a prospect yet to reach full season ball is rare. The last one I can think of is Wander Franco. Even Chourio didn't generate this kind of buzz until he tore up the Carolina League for about a month. 

 

[markedman5]

The Buzz is growing 

 

[SF70]

12 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Yep. Feel free to move Made into the top 10/5 of your prospect rankings folks....This level of praise for a prospect yet to reach full season ball is rare. The last one I can think of is Wander Franco. Even Chourio didn't generate this kind of buzz until he tore up the Carolina League for about a month. 

 

Feel pretty good about having Made-Pena in my top 5 back when the last prospect rankings were done.

Some scouts think Pena is right there with Made as far as a talent is concerned.

Impactful talent that can play with Chourio forthcoming.