Montas to Mets

[markedman5]

 

[Frisbee Slider]

11 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

 

Montas had 4.55 ERA over 57.1 IP in Milwaukee. He had a nice August but probably won’t be worth that money in 2025 to the Brewers, anyway. I bet Montas improves some in 2025, though.

[Klantz27]

Odd move by Stearns could of resigned luis severino or signed jack flaherty for just a few million more a season i would think

[Redd Vencher]

This was a pretty easy call on what Montas was going to make after a 10.99 K/9, 3.56 xFIP, and his fastball velo back over 96 MPH (OAK velo) post trade to the Brewers.

[liveforoctober]

Montas came in and helped so much. So thankful for him last season. But 17mil/yr just isn't it for us. Good luck out there Frankie!

[Scooterfletcher]

9 hours ago, Klantz27 said:

Odd move by Stearns could of resigned luis severino or signed jack flaherty for just a few million more a season i would think

He wants the picks for Severino/Mannea/Alfonso I’m guessing, while signing Soto and guys that didn’t turn down the QO.

[homer]

Probably conspiratorial thinking on my part but I sometimes wonder if these big market teams make overpays on middling guys like Montas just to drive up the price for every other player.

[endaround]

7 minutes ago, homer said:

Probably conspiratorial thinking on my part but I sometimes wonder if these big market teams make overpays on middling guys like Montas just to drive up the price for every other player.

He's being paid for about 3 wins above replacement over 2 years, hardly looks like some overpay. Basically what he made last year.

[TURBO]

11 hours ago, Klantz27 said:

Odd move by Stearns could of resigned luis severino or signed jack flaherty for just a few million more a season i would think

You are assuming the Mets are done signing guys?

[RobertCrawley]

That amount of money for Frankie is shocking to me.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

14 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

That amount of money for Frankie is shocking to me.

I truthfully commend any fan that is as fervent a supporter of this league as they've ever been. I just can't do it any more with the competitive imbalance. It's always been bad, but it's a joke now. I love the game, the Brewers do what they can, and I'll always keep an eye on them, but I just don't follow the hot stove or live on every game they way I used to. I keep dreaming that something drastic happens and everything get realigned, but, eh.

[Frisbee Slider]

Given the revenue generated by all teams, Is $500,000 per start from Montas that much of an overpay? He’ll probably provide multiple wins above replacement level.

[Thurston Fluff]

29 minutes ago, Frisbee Slider said:

Given the revenue generated by all teams, Is $500,000 per start from Montas that much of an overpay? He’ll probably provide multiple wins above replacement level.

The players should be getting a set portion of the overall money made but I refuse to accept the only way to do that is to let some guys be overpaid by a few teams that can afford to overpay.

[owbc]

19 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I truthfully commend any fan that is as fervent a supporter of this league as they've ever been. I just can't do it any more with the competitive imbalance. It's always been bad, but it's a joke now. I love the game, the Brewers do what they can, and I'll always keep an eye on them, but I just don't follow the hot stove or live on every game they way I used to. I keep dreaming that something drastic happens and everything get realigned, but, eh.

What's going on right now doesn't affect us too much. We've always been poor. 

Fans of mid-market teams who are suddenly feeling poorer than they used to be are not taking recent events as well. 

I don't worry about it too much, it's still far better than it was pre-luxury tax when the Yankees were spending 3-4x the median payroll. These days the Mets are at like 2x the median. If the median payroll is 150M and you have a team spending 500-600M, then there will be a real problem. I don't think it will happen though, the RSN crisis will work its way up to the biggest markets eventually. I think the 2030s are going to be rough for the Dodgers. 

[adambr2]

I know I will get ripped to shreds for this, but I’ll never understand why people seem to need to give Montas credit for more than the mediocrity that we got from him. Is it just because we want to be convinced that Arnold made a great deal?

Montas was not awful, but he certainly wasn’t more productive than a decent back end of the rotation starter. Comparatively, Junis threw only 16 less innings after the deal, far more productive innings at a fraction of the cost.

Perhaps he will be better in 2025. I am just fine letting the Mets be the ones to find out.

[wiguy94]

8 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

I know I will get ripped to shreds for this, but I’ll never understand why people seem to need to give Montas credit for more than the mediocrity that we got from him. Is it just because we want to be convinced that Arnold made a great deal?

Montas was not awful, but he certainly wasn’t more productive than a decent back end of the rotation starter. Comparatively, Junis threw only 16 less innings after the deal, far more productive innings at a fraction of the cost.

Perhaps he will be better in 2025. I am just fine letting the Mets be the ones to find out.

Feel like you're underrating what Montas did. He had 1 really bad start that blew up his Brewers numbers but outside of that start he was exactly what we needed in solidifying the rotation. 

Overall Brewers Numbers - 11 GS, 57.1 IP, 4.55 ERA

Brewers Numbers taking out his blowup against the D-Backs - 10 GS, 54.2 IP, 3.62 ERA

Sure Junis had a better ERA but Junis wasn't starting until September. His first time throwing 5 innings after the deadline was 9/7. He could not have solidified the rotation starting in August like Montas did so him having a better ERA is mostly pointless.

[Frisbee Slider]

The Brewers won 93 games last year and probably could have won 93 games without Montas’ 0.0 WAR in Milwaukee.

The Mets signing Montas is not indicative that wholesale changes are required to MLB.

[Playing Catch]

5 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I truthfully commend any fan that is as fervent a supporter of this league as they've ever been. I just can't do it any more with the competitive imbalance. It's always been bad, but it's a joke now. I love the game, the Brewers do what they can, and I'll always keep an eye on them, but I just don't follow the hot stove or live on every game they way I used to. I keep dreaming that something drastic happens and everything get realigned, but, eh.

I understand that the older one gets, the acceptable timeframe for change can shift, but have hope! The Yankees and Dodgers and Giants have long dominated the major leagues. While I agree that the competitive imbalance has gotten worse, I believe it's gotten MUCH worse recently. I expect that the next CBA will be the bellwether as to whether or not one abandons the game altogether.

[Jopal78]

3 hours ago, adambr2 said:

I know I will get ripped to shreds for this, but I’ll never understand why people seem to need to give Montas credit for more than the mediocrity that we got from him. Is it just because we want to be convinced that Arnold made a great deal?

Montas was not awful, but he certainly wasn’t more productive than a decent back end of the rotation starter. Comparatively, Junis threw only 16 less innings after the deal, far more productive innings at a fraction of the cost.

Perhaps he will be better in 2025. I am just fine letting the Mets be the ones to find out.

Arnold literally gave nothing up for Montas. Junis pitched 41 innings for the Queen City, did not receive a decision and is now a free agent. Wiemer couldn’t beat out several journeyman players who were soaking up at bats in the Reds outfield, got one major league at bat for Cincy  and was traded in the India deal to essentially free up a 40 man spot.

As for Montas, when bad players are making 10+ million a year;  a guy like Montas who takes the ball every 5th day— keeps the team in the game has real value, especially to the Mets who used 9 different pitchers at the back end of their rotation (Severino, Manea and Quintana all started 30+ games).

[sveumrules]

The team won five of Montas first six starts en route to a 19 W - 9 L month of August that essentially sealed the division.

Over the first four months Brewers starters had 513 IP (30th) | 100 ERA- (15th) | 111 FIP- (24th) | 7.0 rWAR (16th)

In the month of August it was 157 IP (6th) | 77 ERA- (2nd) | 101 FIP- (11th) | 3.6 rWAR (3rd).

Myers. Peralta and Civale all contributed too no doubt but the Montas acquisition was kind of like Lebowski’s rug…it tied the whole rotation together.

[Underachiever]

7 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

The team won five of Montas first six starts en route to a 19 W - 9 L month of August that essentially sealed the division.

Over the first four months Brewers starters had 513 IP (30th) | 100 ERA- (15th) | 111 FIP- (24th) | 7.0 rWAR (16th)

In the month of August it was 157 IP (6th) | 77 ERA- (2nd) | 101 FIP- (11th) | 3.6 rWAR (3rd).

Myers. Peralta and Civale all contributed too no doubt but the Montas acquisition was kind of like Lebowski’s rug…it tied the whole rotation together.

Yeah? Well, that’s just uh, like your opinion, man.

[Klantz27]

On 12/2/2024 at 9:16 AM, TURBO said:

You are assuming the Mets are done signing guys?

Not at all I'm purely saying he overpayed for a garbage pitcher when he could of signed any number of good ones for just a little bit more money

 

[StearnsFTW]

On 12/2/2024 at 2:36 PM, Frisbee Slider said:

Given the revenue generated by all teams, Is $500,000 per start from Montas that much of an overpay? He’ll probably provide multiple wins above replacement level.

Multiple?

I highly doubt it.  I'd be surprised if he's 2 WAR over both seasons combined.  He stinks.

 

[CheezWizHed]

So that amounts to the vet minimum for the NYM, right? 

[RobertCrawley]

On 12/2/2024 at 9:36 PM, sveumrules said:

The team won five of Montas first six starts en route to a 19 W - 9 L month of August that essentially sealed the division.

Over the first four months Brewers starters had 513 IP (30th) | 100 ERA- (15th) | 111 FIP- (24th) | 7.0 rWAR (16th)

In the month of August it was 157 IP (6th) | 77 ERA- (2nd) | 101 FIP- (11th) | 3.6 rWAR (3rd).

Myers. Peralta and Civale all contributed too no doubt but the Montas acquisition was kind of like Lebowski’s rug…it tied the whole rotation together.

Montas pitched really well for us, and he made a significant contribution to our success down the stretch and to the division win. I attribute some -- maybe a lot - of his success to the sorcery of Chris Hook. That being said, Montas' new contract with the Mets is shocking to me.