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[markedman5]

 

[markedman5]

 

[Playing Catch]

12 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

 

 

[Frisbee Slider]

Did not have ‘can’t wait to see Ortiz back in the lineup everyday’ on my bingo card 🙂

[LouisEly]

2 hours ago, Frisbee Slider said:

Did not have ‘can’t wait to see Ortiz back in the lineup everyday’ on my bingo card 🙂

Monasterio's OPS over the last 14 days, encompassing 28 PAs, is 1.159

Aside from a bad baserunning decision, he's been more than pulling his own weight.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

4 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Monasterio's OPS over the last 14 days, encompassing 28 PAs, is 1.159

Aside from a bad baserunning decision, he's been more than pulling his own weight.

Mona's hit great. 

And he's been fine defensively, too.

I will say, though, that you really see Ortiz's comfort at short when you watch Mona there for a few days. I am very confused about the advanced metrics that grade out the two of them as fairly similar. It seems obvious to me which guy moves better and which guy has a deep understanding of the position.

None of this is to say Mona can't hack it as an MLB shortstop. Just that he's a utility player for a reason.

[sveumrules]

26 minutes ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

I am very confused about the advanced metrics that grade out the two of them as fairly similar.

Ortiz 3B (1115 innings)
+9 DRS | +8 FRV
Mona 3B (662 innings)
+5 DRS | -1 FRV

Ortiz SS (1102 innings)
-1 DRS | +8 FRV
Mona SS (165 innings)
-2 DRS | 0 FRV

Outside of DRS at 3B they haven't really graded out too similarly.

DRS at SS is close too, but Ortiz has over six times the innings that Mona does and DRS at SS also appears to be the outlier on Ortiz's advanced metrics.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

2 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Ortiz 3B (1115 innings)
+9 DRS | +8 FRV
Mona 3B (662 innings)
+5 DRS | -1 FRV

Ortiz SS (1102 innings)
-1 DRS | +8 FRV
Mona SS (165 innings)
-2 DRS | 0 FRV

Outside of DRS at 3B they haven't really graded out too similarly.

DRS at SS is close too, but Ortiz has over six times the innings that Mona does and DRS at SS also appears to be the outlier on Ortiz's advanced metrics.

Yeah, I was looking at DRS, but the context helps. Maybe Ortiz was bad for a time at SS? It just seems very clear to me that he is the superior defender by far, so I was surprised that DRS was so low on Ortiz.

[sveumrules]

15 minutes ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

Yeah, I was looking at DRS, but the context helps. Maybe Ortiz was bad for a time at SS? It just seems very clear to me that he is the superior defender by far, so I was surprised that DRS was so low on Ortiz.

DRS was definitely lower on Ortiz at SS earlier in the year. Believe he was down around -5 or -7 at one point but it has been creeping up as the season has gone on.

Wonder if part of that is a function of how high DRS is on Turang?

Turang 2024
+22 DRS | +4 FRV
Adames 2024
-16 DRS | 0 FRV

Turang 2025
+9 DRS | -1 FRV
Ortiz 2025
-2 DRS | +8 FRV

In 2024 DRS thought the Brewers were +6 aggregate at SS/2B compared to +4 aggregate by FRV, pretty close on the back end just way different accounting to get there. So far this year both systems are +7 aggregate, but again with different accounting.

Agree that Ortiz is a clearly better fielder than Mona. FanGraphs uses FRV in their WAR calcs and with positional adjustment included they have Ortiz as the 14th most valuable defender in MLB over the last two years at +22.8 DEF.

Kinda interesting that the two guys on either side of him - Andres Gimenez (+23.4 DEF) and Ke’Bryan Hayes (+22.4 DEF) - signed $106.5M and $70M extensions respectively.

By no means suggesting the Brewers do the same with Joey, but does a pretty good job illustrating how valuable his defense is.

[Brian]

On 8/27/2025 at 5:17 PM, markedman5 said:

 

Not a very promising look to me for Chourio, as Kyle Schwarber hits 4 home runs tonight. 

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

50 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

DRS was definitely lower on Ortiz at SS earlier in the year. Believe he was down around -5 or -7 at one point but it has been creeping up as the season has gone on.

Wonder if part of that is a function of how high DRS is on Turang?

Turang 2024
+22 DRS | +4 FRV
Adames 2024
-16 DRS | 0 FRV

Turang 2025
+9 DRS | -1 FRV
Ortiz 2025
-2 DRS | +8 FRV

In 2024 DRS thought the Brewers were +6 aggregate at SS/2B compared to +4 aggregate by FRV, pretty close on the back end just way different accounting to get there. So far this year both systems are +7 aggregate, but again with different accounting.

Agree that Ortiz is a clearly better fielder than Mona. FanGraphs uses FRV in their WAR calcs and with positional adjustment included they have Ortiz as the 14th most valuable defender in MLB over the last two years at +22.8 DEF.

Kinda interesting that the two guys on either side of him - Andres Gimenez (+23.4 DEF) and Ke’Bryan Hayes (+22.4 DEF) - signed $106.5M and $70M extensions respectively.

By no means suggesting the Brewers do the same with Joey, but does a pretty good job illustrating how valuable his defense is.

This is good stuff. Thanks!!

And if Ortiz is valuable, Turang might get very very seriously paid. That might be a really interesting contract situation. I think Brice is underrated by national media and the MLB writer/analyst set, but I am sure lots of big-payroll teams would gladly offer to take his age 28 to age 33 seasons for 150 mil. AI told me to look for 8-10 AAV on a  Turang extension, but that has to be hallucination.

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Hoskins back on Monday after rosters expand? .975 OPS in Nashville over 40 PA

[SF70]

On 8/28/2025 at 11:19 PM, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

This is good stuff. Thanks!!

And if Ortiz is valuable, Turang might get very very seriously paid. That might be a really interesting contract situation. I think Brice is underrated by national media and the MLB writer/analyst set, but I am sure lots of big-payroll teams would gladly offer to take his age 28 to age 33 seasons for 150 mil. AI told me to look for 8-10 AAV on a  Turang extension, but that has to be hallucination.

A Turang extension is getting more expensive by each bomb he hits. At this point I’d take an extension that only buys out 1 year of FA, so we get his age 26-30 seasons after this one. 5 more years with Chourio, 3 likely with Made. 

 

[Thurston Fluff]

On 8/28/2025 at 6:45 PM, sveumrules said:

Ortiz 3B (1115 innings)
+9 DRS | +8 FRV
Mona 3B (662 innings)
+5 DRS | -1 FRV

Ortiz SS (1102 innings)
-1 DRS | +8 FRV
Mona SS (165 innings)
-2 DRS | 0 FRV

Outside of DRS at 3B they haven't really graded out too similarly.

DRS at SS is close too, but Ortiz has over six times the innings that Mona does and DRS at SS also appears to be the outlier on Ortiz's advanced metrics.

I applaud the effort analytics put into defense these days but I think advancement wise, they're at the blood letting to cure a fever stage. While it's necessary to go through the stage it is far from being as useful as offensive metrics are. 

As far as Ortiz v Mona goes, Mona is perfectly fine at short but Ortiz is exceptional. With his combination of offense and defense Mona could man short or second as a starter on a lot of teams. He just happens to play on one that he can't.

[BruisedCrew]

On 8/28/2025 at 1:17 PM, LouisEly said:

Monasterio's OPS over the last 14 days, encompassing 28 PAs, is 1.159

Aside from a bad baserunning decision, he's been more than pulling his own weight.

His wild throw on a routine ground ball opened the door for the Giants in a 1-0 game last Saturday..

I’ll be glad to see Ortiz back with Monasterio in the utility infield role.

[sveumrules]

35 minutes ago, Thurston Fluff said:

I applaud the effort analytics put into defense these days but I think advancement wise, they're at the blood letting to cure a fever stage. While it's necessary to go through the stage it is far from being as useful as offensive metrics are. 

Yeah, in a macro sense I tend to think of defensive metrics along the same line as reliever stats in terms of volatility.

The first issue seems to be just how much defense is worth to begin with. Looking at 2023 to present DRS and FRV both agree that the Brewers have been the second best defensive team in baseball, but have they saved 156 runs (DRS) or 87 runs (FRV)? That is a pretty big difference.

DRS thinks from 2023 to present the range of defensive value on a team level goes from +208 (TOR) down to -176 (CHW), but FRV has a much narrower scope at +88 down to -109 (also TOR and CHW).

Anecdotally it feels like the two systems tend to align more on outfielders and corner infielders, but have more divergent opinions on middle infielders. Brewers with at least 1,000 innings since 2023...

2B Turang (+44 DRS | -5 FRV)
SS Adames (-8 DRS | +12 FRV)
1B Hoskins (-1 DRS | -2 FRV)
3B Ortiz (+8 DRS | +8 FRV)
SS Ortiz (-2 DRS | +8 FRV)
OF Frelick (+25 DRS | +17 FRV)
OF Chourio (+10 DRS | +10 FRV)
OF Yelich (-6 DRS | -9 FRV)
OF Perkins (+19 DRS | +18 FRV)
OF Wiemer (+7 DRS | +9 FRV)
 

[Thurston Fluff]

52 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Yeah, in a macro sense I tend to think of defensive metrics along the same line as reliever stats in terms of volatility.

The first issue seems to be just how much defense is worth to begin with. Looking at 2023 to present DRS and FRV both agree that the Brewers have been the second best defensive team in baseball, but have they saved 156 runs (DRS) or 87 runs (FRV)? That is a pretty big difference.

DRS thinks from 2023 to present the range of defensive value on a team level goes from +208 (TOR) down to -176 (CHW), but FRV has a much narrower scope at +88 down to -109 (also TOR and CHW).

Anecdotally it feels like the two systems tend to align more on outfielders and corner infielders, but have more divergent opinions on middle infielders. Brewers with at least 1,000 innings since 2023...

2B Turang (+44 DRS | -5 FRV)
SS Adames (-8 DRS | +12 FRV)
1B Hoskins (-1 DRS | -2 FRV)
3B Ortiz (+8 DRS | +8 FRV)
SS Ortiz (-2 DRS | +8 FRV)
OF Frelick (+25 DRS | +17 FRV)
OF Chourio (+10 DRS | +10 FRV)
OF Yelich (-6 DRS | -9 FRV)
OF Perkins (+19 DRS | +18 FRV)
OF Wiemer (+7 DRS | +9 FRV)
 

I don't know if it's volatility or lack of objective metrics. Not sure if objective is the right word but it's easier to know what the value of getting on base is to offense than having a strong throwing arm is to defense. Is consistenly being able to make routine pays more valuable than being able to make great plays or vice versa? Things like that need to be figured out. Maybe lack of refined value of metrics is a better way of putting it. Like you said, we still haven't pegged the overall value of defense let alone the value of each defensive metric. Which is why I don't put a lot of weight into WAR. Offensive WAR, yes. Overall WAR, not so much.

[markedman5]

 

[HarryDoyle]

 

[Outlander]

I don't even undertand the previous post, it doesn't look good for Miller though.

[liveforoctober]

10 minutes ago, Outlander said:

I don't even undertand the previous post, it doesn't look good for Miller though.

I believe it is a Covid reference.

[LouisEly]

20 minutes ago, Outlander said:

I don't even undertand the previous post, it doesn't look good for Miller though.

It's from 2020, so I'm not sure why it was posted.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

35 minutes ago, Outlander said:

I don't even understand the previous post, it doesn't look good for Miller though.

An attempt at a trolly joke. In all seriousness, can't help but feel bad for Miller. Feeling a pop in the elbow typically doesn't end well. It sucks because it was nice having a solid vet in the pen. Hopefully Gasser can help fill the void.  

[AKCheesehead]

Yeah I didn't understand the covid opt out post.  

Sucks for Miller.  Right now I'm just assuming UCL, and hoping to be wrong.  Given that he's almost 35, I wonder if he'll call it a career. 

Also, wow.  I didn't realize that his only AS appearance (and his best season) was in 2015 when he went 6-17. 

[HarryDoyle]

1 hour ago, Outlander said:

I don't even undertand the previous post, it doesn't look good for Miller though.

Oh,I didn't even notice the date. Unless I'm going crazy, I don't remember him being a Brewer in 2020. Weird the the team's X account would post this.