Brewers Trade Aaron Civale To White Sox For Andrew Vaughn

[Ron750]

Another wounded duck, that coulda, woulda, shoulda been a contender. Makes the front office look reactive, not proactive. 
I have no confidence that the Brewers will actually sign a legit power bat, or even a good contact hitter.  I would rather have Mark Canha who’s hitting .247, and they were too cheap to resign. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

6 hours ago, Ignitor 4ever said:

This does not feel like a move that is being made in a vacuum. It is getting rid of Civale for a guy the Brewers must believe has some use and probably also is part of setting up future moves. I do not necessarily think they are planning on trading Hoskins either, at least not at this point. If we are out of contention in a month, then you consider trading Hoskins. Perhaps the team is looking at dealing someone like Black as part of a trade in July, which would free up playing time at 1B for Vaughn in Nashville. I just feel like this is part of bigger plans for the Brewers. Obviously the front office knows there is a bit of a logjam at 1B between Nashville and the big league club.

I don't know if it's part of a bigger plan or not, but I'm sure Black has lost a lot of his luster trade-wise, and the only way I see them dealing Hoskins is if they fell out of playoff contention in which case it's not all that important whether they have an MLB-ready replacement for him or not. They'd just put Bauers there & maybe Dalbec. 

If Civale never opened his mouth he'd still be here, until we get closer to the deadline.

[ClosetBrewerFan]

I see no chance the Brewers tender Vaughn in the offseason.  They will have no interest in the $5.85M next year.  Vaughn has not hit in the majors or minors this year (and the past year).  We have depth at AAA at 1b (Martinez, others).  The Brewers don't save any money.  I see no upside for the Brewers.  I'm trying to decide how well Vaughn would have to hit in AAA for him to get a callup. 

If this was the best trade they could make, then fine but I would have preferred a DFA.  Or a lottery ticket.  At least they would get a 40 man roster spot back.

[torts]

9 hours ago, adambr2 said:

Our plan next year for 1B for an already bad offense is one of the worst players from the worst team in the AL?

Yikes.

Yeah I dunno, I don't really care either way, considering our 1B farm is so deep

[wildcat83]

I know I’m probably in the minority, but I think I would’ve trusted Civale in the rotation over Patrick the rest of the way.  Also doubt that Patrick would’ve been this upset over moving to the pen.  I think keeping both Civale and Patrick in the organization would’ve been more useful than having Patrick and Vaughn.

[wntrtxn21]

Another Arnold garbage trade. Not even getting salary relief for Civale makes no sense. Milwaukee would have been much better off keeping him until the deadline then at least unloading some salary to a desperate team. 

[adambr2]

11 hours ago, wildcat83 said:

I know I’m probably in the minority, but I think I would’ve trusted Civale in the rotation over Patrick the rest of the way.  Also doubt that Patrick would’ve been this upset over moving to the pen.  I think keeping both Civale and Patrick in the organization would’ve been more useful than having Patrick and Vaughn.

I’d rather take a shot on the upside of Patrick in the rotation than the “devil you know”  #4/5 starter that Civale is.

I also don’t want to make rotation decisions based on who will be most upset and who will be most understanding.

[Brian]

26 minutes ago, wntrtxn21 said:

Another Arnold garbage trade. Not even getting salary relief for Civale makes no sense. Milwaukee would have been much better off keeping him until the deadline then at least unloading some salary to a desperate team. 

I disagree 100%, Civale expressing dissatisfaction in the clubhouse and requesting a trade is not good for the team as a whole and players start taking sides causing discord. So management nipped it in the bud and fast. 

[MVP2110]

21 minutes ago, wntrtxn21 said:

Another Arnold garbage trade. Not even getting salary relief for Civale makes no sense. Milwaukee would have been much better off keeping him until the deadline then at least unloading some salary to a desperate team. 

Another? How many garbage trades do you think he's made?

[JosephC]

McCalvy's full article regarding the trade is up at the Brewer's website, and his wording has changed regardng the money part of the deal.  The article says, "The Brewers also sent cash to the White Sox to help offset the difference of salaries."  Including the word "help" leads me to believe the cash + salary swap in this deal was not equal and the Brewers did end up saving some money.

[valpocrewsader]

Time to dust off those Vaughn's Valley banners for the left field bleachers!

[Playing Catch]

24 minutes ago, valpocrewsader said:

Time to dust off those Vaughn's Valley banners for the left field bleachers!

For the kids...

[Samurai Bucky]

2 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

For the kids...

He had forearms the size of Popeye the Sailor!

[liveforoctober]

16 hours ago, Ron750 said:

Another wounded duck, that coulda, woulda, shoulda been a contender. Makes the front office look reactive, not proactive. 
I have no confidence that the Brewers will actually sign a legit power bat, or even a good contact hitter.  I would rather have Mark Canha who’s hitting .247, and they were too cheap to resign. 

Is this the same Mark Canha that didn't get a major league contract from any club and who the Brewers DID sign to a minor league deal this past spring? Or is this a different Mark Canha we are talking about?

[rickh150]

I'm not seeing any upside here.  Civale provided starting pitching depth.  And if there is no money to be saved?  Vaughn and his salary won't be picked up next year and I can't see him playing MLB this season. 

Must have been a much bigger issue in the clubhouse than what's  being reported.

[sveumrules]

14 minutes ago, liveforoctober said:

Is this the same Mark Canha that didn't get a major league contract from any club and who the Brewers DID sign to a minor league deal this past spring? Or is this a different Mark Canha we are talking about?

Yes, the same Mark Canha with a 67 wRC+ this year that can only play LF (where we have Collins 102 wRC+), RF (where we have Frelick 114 wRC+), 1B (where we have Rhys 113 wRC+), or DH (where we have Yelich 106 wRC+).

Our backup at those positions Jake Bauers has a 111 wRC+ too (to say nothing of the 0.00 ERA) so Canha wouldn’t be an upgrade over him either.

[Joseph Zarr]

21 hours ago, nate82 said:

I think the lack of production from Ernesto is the reason he will get at bats taken away and not Vaughn.  

Lack of production? What are we talking about here?

He was hitting 0.327 with a 0.924 OPS in 55 April AB then had that odd thumb injury where he missed over two weeks of time (it was like a 16-17 day absence). Clearly wasn't the same when he returned. Despite that, still hit to a plus 0.700 OPS in May. Is back above 0.800 OPS in June. One could actually conclude he needs more playing time. It's as Rick Sweet has said on more than one occasion: EMJ just needs to stay healthy so he can stay in his groove. 

[edfunderburk]

3 hours ago, Brian said:

I disagree 100%, Civale expressing dissatisfaction in the clubhouse and requesting a trade is not good for the team as a whole and players start taking sides causing discord. So management nipped it in the bud and fast. 

 

[edfunderburk]

3 hours ago, JosephC said:

McCalvy's full article regarding the trade is up at the Brewer's website, and his wording has changed regardng the money part of the deal.  The article says, "The Brewers also sent cash to the White Sox to help offset the difference of salaries."  Including the word "help" leads me to believe the cash + salary swap in this deal was not equal and the Brewers did end up saving some money.

I saw $807K somewhere

[edfunderburk]

2 hours ago, Samurai Bucky said:

He had forearms the size of Popeye the Sailor!

And Steve Garvey

[edfunderburk]

2 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Yes, the same Mark Canha with a 67 wRC+ this year that can only play LF (where we have Collins 102 wRC+), RF (where we have Frelick 114 wRC+), 1B (where we have Rhys 113 wRC+), or DH (where we have Yelich 106 wRC+).

Our backup at those positions Jake Bauers has a 111 wRC+ too (to say nothing of the 0.00 ERA) so Canha wouldn’t be an upgrade over him either.

Another quality post from SveumRules 💪

[zurch1818]

I apologize if this has already been discussed but does sending Vaughn down in the minors manipulate his service time to where they can get an extra year out of him? I know this happened to JJ Hardy.

[adambr2]

1 hour ago, zurch1818 said:

I apologize if this has already been discussed but does sending Vaughn down in the minors manipulate his service time to where they can get an extra year out of him? I know this happened to JJ Hardy.

I’m pretty sure they can and effectively will delay his free agency via the option, but not really intentionally for the purposes of gaining the extra year of service time. He’s a strong candidate to be non-tendered next year, let alone by his final year.

[jay87shot]

17 hours ago, wildcat83 said:

I know I’m probably in the minority, but I think I would’ve trusted Civale in the rotation over Patrick the rest of the way.  Also doubt that Patrick would’ve been this upset over moving to the pen.  I think keeping both Civale and Patrick in the organization would’ve been more useful than having Patrick and Vaughn.

Or at least piggyback Civale with Patrick and let him start for 3/4 innings. 

[zurch1818]

2 hours ago, adambr2 said:

I’m pretty sure they can and effectively will delay his free agency via the option, but not really intentionally for the purposes of gaining the extra year of service time. He’s a strong candidate to be non-tendered next year, let alone by his final year.

Thanks! In retrospect, this is the team that tendered a contract to Hiura for one year longer than they should have. (I wasn't against the tender at the time.) At least Vaughn under the hood this year shows that he is at least a somewhat capable offensive player.