Bauers to IL.... Black Recalled

[Jastro]

 

[folly412]

Is "left shoulder impingement" the new name for a player that goes 5-48 with a gazillion LOB over the previous two months?

Black's AAA numbers look terrible, but he's come on nicely over the past couple weeks. 

I read trade implications here - getting Black some MLB ABs to trade him, or at least to see where the bar is if they were to seek an upgrade.

[Thurston Fluff]

5 minutes ago, folly412 said:

Is "left shoulder impingement" the new name for a player that goes 5-48 with a gazillion LOB over the previous two months?

Black's AAA numbers look terrible, but he's come on nicely over the past couple weeks. 

I read trade implications here - getting Black some MLB ABs to trade him, or at least to see where the bar is if they were to seek an upgrade.

I think it's more likely they want to see if Black can be a possible upgrade from Collins. Nothing against Collins but I think he's a better fit as a fourth outfielder while Black has to potential to be a starter. Key word being potential.

[markedman5]

I think it’s more likely that he has some sort of left shoulder soreness which  has probably impacted his play.

Every time a struggling player goes on the dl doesn’t mean something nefarious is going on.

 

[Oxy]

29 minutes ago, Thurston Fluff said:

I think it's more likely they want to see if Black can be a possible upgrade from Collins. Nothing against Collins but I think he's a better fit as a fourth outfielder while Black has to potential to be a starter. Key word being potential.

If Black can be an upgrade from Collins that'd be amazing but I'd say unlikely.  Collins has been excellent since June 1st.

[Brewer77]

36 minutes ago, Thurston Fluff said:

I think it's more likely they want to see if Black can be a possible upgrade from Collins. Nothing against Collins but I think he's a better fit as a fourth outfielder while Black has to potential to be a starter. Key word being potential.

I doubt the Brewers view it that way considering how good Collins is with the glove. Black would have to be like a 150 wRC+ hitter to be of similar value

[sveumrules]

There are 97 players with at least 150 PA as an outfielder so far this year.

Isaac's 1.9 WAR is tied for spots 25 to 28 on that leaderboard with guys like Wyatt Langford (recent #4 overall pick), Lawrence Butler (recently signed a $65.5M contract extension), and TJ Friedl.

Having a Top 30 outfielder as your fourth outfielder is a luxury not many teams have. Heck, having him as your third outfielder - Chourio (2.1 WAR | 21st) & Frelick (2.6 WAR | 14th) - is a luxury.

If I counted right on that leaderboard there are ten teams that don't have even one outfielder having as good a season as Collins is having. 

[Austin Tatious]

Collins and Durbin are key aspects of our surge along with a couple of the pitching developments like Priester.  All of these things show you an organization that knows what they’re doing.  

[adambr2]

1 hour ago, folly412 said:

Is "left shoulder impingement" the new name for a player that goes 5-48 with a gazillion LOB over the previous two months?

Black's AAA numbers look terrible, but he's come on nicely over the past couple weeks. 

I read trade implications here - getting Black some MLB ABs to trade him, or at least to see where the bar is if they were to seek an upgrade.

I don’t think showing MLB teams what Tyler Black MLB ABs look like is a very good precursor to trading him. 

[Joseph Zarr]

Black a replacement for Collins?!😅 Collins grades out as possibly the best defensive LF'er in the game. He grades out as having the best jumps in all of MLB. He also finds ways to impact games with his bat.

At Black's current level of play, he is a pinch runner and a very infrequently used fill-in whereby you hope he doesn't hurt you. In that regard, maybe he gets some opportunities as a DH or a PR? Spot fill-in MLB emergency player who happens to be on the 40-Man. Could he surprise us? Absolutely - he has the talent somewhere in there that got him on the 40-Man to begin with. He just hasn't been all that good for quite awhile, sadly. He offers nowhere near the defensive level of a Collins (or anyone else on the Brewers roster, sadly). He is hitting slightly better of late which is refreshing but that is also considering he has had a very rough time since coming off the IL. I used to be one of Black's biggest supporters on our Forums. He isn't even a Top 20 prospect for me any longer until he shows me some semblance of something consistently.

[adambr2]

1 hour ago, Thurston Fluff said:

I think it's more likely they want to see if Black can be a possible upgrade from Collins. Nothing against Collins but I think he's a better fit as a fourth outfielder while Black has to potential to be a starter. Key word being potential.

I think you’re selling Collins short. With his defense, he’s already an above average starter. Will he ever be a superstar, no, but I’m confident he’s a better everyday player than Tyler Black is ever going to be.

[Bulldogboy]

Collins being sold short by lots of people. If Mitchell was having a Collins season he would be part of the core. Collins has taken advantage of his shot.

[yourout]

27 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

I don’t think showing MLB teams what Tyler Black MLB ABs look like is a very good precursor to trading him. 

Will be interested to see if they reworked his mechanics. Unless/until they fix all the front foot movement big league pitchers will speed change him to death.

[duewizard]

26 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

Black a replacement for Collins?!😅 Collins grades out as possibly the best defensive LF'er in the game. He grades out as having the best jumps in all of MLB. He also finds ways to impact games with his bat.

At Black's current level of play, he is a pinch runner and a very infrequently used fill-in whereby you hope he doesn't hurt you. In that regard, maybe he gets some opportunities as a DH or a PR? Spot fill-in MLB emergency player who happens to be on the 40-Man. Could he surprise us? Absolutely - he has the talent somewhere in there that got him on the 40-Man to begin with. He just hasn't been all that good for quite awhile, sadly. He offers nowhere near the defensive level of a Collins (or anyone else on the Brewers roster, sadly). He is hitting slightly better of late which is refreshing but that is also considering he has had a very rough time since coming off the IL. I used to be one of Black's biggest supporters on our Forums. He isn't even a Top 20 prospect for me any longer until he shows me some semblance of something consistently.

 That 2023 season with an OPS over .900 at AAA and AA and 50+ stolen bags got me dreaming but I agree. Hopefully he proves everyone wrong but I doubt it

[liveforoctober]

If the Brewers replaced Collins with Black I would go on a hunger strike until it was remedied.

[LouisEly]

1 hour ago, sveumrules said:

There are 97 players with at least 150 PA as an outfielder so far this year.

Isaac's 1.9 WAR is tied for spots 25 to 28 on that leaderboard with guys like Wyatt Langford (recent #4 overall pick), Lawrence Butler (recently signed a $65.5M contract extension), and TJ Friedl.

Having a Top 30 outfielder as your fourth outfielder is a luxury not many teams have. Heck, having him as your third outfielder - Chourio (2.1 WAR | 21st) & Frelick (2.6 WAR | 14th) - is a luxury.

If I counted right on that leaderboard there are ten teams that don't have even one outfielder having as good a season as Collins is having. 

Of the 24 ahead of Collins, only one - Acuna - has fewer PAs.  

And compared to Collins' 214 PAs (Acuna has 201), the only other one who is close is Wilyer Abreu of BOS with 286.

In terms of WAR/PA, among the top 30 OFs in WAR with at least 150 PAs, Collins is 10th.

[umphrey]

I think this is just Bauers not being 100% and also struggling and the Brewers are using MiLB depth to rest him up, simple as that 

[young guns]

I understand not every IL of a bad player is a conspiracy, but also how does that work? 

"Jake you've been terrible for 2 months we are going to be cutting you"

"Well now that you mention it, my should has been bothering me for 2 months"

Just 2 me it feels like if the injury just happened it doesn't matter, and if it's been a while you've been hurting the team by keeping it quiet.

[Playing Catch]

5 hours ago, Joseph Zarr said:

maybe he gets some opportunities as a DH or a PR?

Black probably should have pinch-run for Vaughn in the 6th... He probably could also have dropped the last out of the game, like Vaughn did.

Edit to add:  I'm thrilled with Vaughn on the team. His plate discipline has been something to behold, and really adds a dimension to the lineup that the lineup was lacking.

[BrewerFan]

7 hours ago, Thurston Fluff said:

I think it's more likely they want to see if Black can be a possible upgrade from Collins. Nothing against Collins but I think he's a better fit as a fourth outfielder while Black has to potential to be a starter. Key word being potential.

I think that's a bit of a reach. Collins has been outstanding this year. 

I think it's most likely Bauers is just... hurt. Today was a good example of a game you'd want him in. He's a very good defensive 1B and I think he makes that play.

But he's struggling. Maybe it's just due to injury. 

 

20 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

Black probably should have pinch-run for Vaughn in the 6th... He probably could also have dropped the last out of the game, like Vaughn did.

Edit to add:  I'm thrilled with Vaughn on the team. His plate discipline has been something to behold, and really adds a dimension to the lineup that the lineup was lacking.

I just have no confidence in Vaughn, and he just KEEPS proving me wrong. 

Over and over. I think without Vaughn, we're 7-3 in our last 10. I don't know if that is hyperbole. He's been so clutch. The only question now is what the hell do you do with him when Hoskins gets back? Try to make it to Sept so you can keep both of them?

[BrewerFan]

5 hours ago, duewizard said:

 That 2023 season with an OPS over .900 at AAA and AA and 50+ stolen bags got me dreaming but I agree. Hopefully he proves everyone wrong but I doubt it

I still think Black can be a very productive big league player. It's been a nightmare season for him though and it's a bit of an odd place to bring him up without some other plan. Turang to SS, Collins to 2B, LF, Yellich and Black until Frelick gets back. 

But Collins is one of the key players on this team. Cubs fans melting down, talking about how the Brewers are "satanic" and "ruining the game" for everyone else by making it "harder and uglier," is...absolutely beautiful. One of the players doing that is Collins.

I actually have a degree of confidence in Bauers, so I hope he gets healthy, gets some ABs in Nashville, and is back for Nov. His glove at 1B is great in a game like today. 

 

I don't know, the Brewers can do no wrong right now. Yuniesky Betancourt has been out of the league for...at least 10 years and probably should have been out 10 years before that...and if they signed him and brought him in, he'd probably have a couple huge game changing ABs the first week!

[bigred]

16 hours ago, markedman5 said:

I think it’s more likely that he has some sort of left shoulder soreness which  has probably impacted his play.

Every time a struggling player goes on the dl doesn’t mean something nefarious is going on.

 

And every time a player goes on the injured list, doesn't mean they're actually hurt. There are ways to manipulate the IL. Especially the timing of this move. Not long before the trade deadline? With a once highly thought of prospect, that still has trade value to some teams? I mean, C'mon. 

[Outlander]

He isn't going to increase his trade value by sitting on the bench, don't see him getting enough opportunity to play 

[adambr2]

8 hours ago, bigred said:

And every time a player goes on the injured list, doesn't mean they're actually hurt. There are ways to manipulate the IL. Especially the timing of this move. Not long before the trade deadline? With a once highly thought of prospect, that still has trade value to some teams? I mean, C'mon. 

Black’s trade value is probably quite minimal at the moment. I don’t see how coming off the bench and going 1 for 7 in the next week is going to change that at all.

Someone would take a shot on him, sure, but I don’t read much into the move.

[markedman5]

7 hours ago, bigred said:

And every time a player goes on the injured list, doesn't mean they're actually hurt. There are ways to manipulate the IL. Especially the timing of this move. Not long before the trade deadline? With a once highly thought of prospect, that still has trade value to some teams? I mean, C'mon. 

He’s not going to play enough to do anything for his trade value.

Murphy said Bauers had an MRI and got pretty specific with what they were looking at and what they found.

Conspiracy theories are usually bad takes……..but some people still love them.