AZ Suarez rumors

[Matt]

I'm not at all in favor of giving up a top 20 prospect for two months of Suarez. 

[iKezims]

Quero pulled from AAA tonight with no real reason as to why. For the record, that would be an insaneo overpay for Suarez, but just noting it.

[Matt]

Arizona doesn't even need Quero. They've got their catcher of the future (or at least a top 100 guy in need of a look) in Del Castillo. 

[TURBO]

14 minutes ago, iKezims said:

Quero pulled from AAA tonight with no real reason as to why. For the record, that would be an insaneo overpay for Suarez, but just noting it.

I might physically be sick if this happens.  Gross.

[Scooterfletcher]

Suarez and Naylor maybe.  Guessing it’s real and for a different partner.

[Brewer77]

Clearly Quero is on his way to Minnesota as part of a deal for Duran and Castro and totally not just dehydrated or something 

 

[iKezims]

3 minutes ago, Brewer77 said:

Clearly Quero is on his way to Minnesota as part of a deal for Duran and Castro and totally not just dehydrated or something 

 

Welcome to rumor season.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, Brewer77 said:

Clearly Quero is on his way to Minnesota as part of a deal for Duran and Castro and totally not just dehydrated or something 

 

Quero is a sweetener. He goes with Dinges to Minnesota for Brock Stewart.😛

[Team Canada]

As noted in the Minors forum, Quero was pulled due to potential injury, getting checked out further.

[Playing Catch]

Hmmm...

I hadn't considered an A.J. Preller type of trade. Suarez AND Naylor. In THAT scenario, I just might be tempted to send a big package back that could include something like Pratt(or)Pena+Quero+Henderson+Yoho?

[sveumrules]

24 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

Hmmm...

I hadn't considered an A.J. Preller type of trade. Suarez AND Naylor. In THAT scenario, I just might be tempted to send a big package back that could include something like Pratt(or)Pena+Quero+Henderson+Yoho?

It would be pretty out of character for the Brewers to send out 24 years of team control for two rentals.

If they were trading a package like that I'd hope it would be for someone with multiple years of team control remaining.

[wiguy94]

13 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

It would be pretty out of character for the Brewers to send out 24 years of team control for two rentals.

If they were trading a package like that I'd hope it would be for someone with multiple years of team control remaining.

Yeah that would be an absolutely colossal overpay. That's the type of package you send out to get a Christian Yelich like the Brewers did in 2018.

[long ball]

I would be vehemently against trading 1 of Quero, Pratt, Peña, or Henderson for Suarez or Naylor. No way would I want to trade 3 of that group for both of them. 

[StearnsFTW]

41 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

It would be pretty out of character for the Brewers to send out 24 years of team control for two rentals.

If they were trading a package like that I'd hope it would be for someone with multiple years of team control remaining.

Yeah like Ronald Acuna.

 

That would be a horrendous trade with Arizona.

[CheezWizHed]

14 hours ago, Matt said:

I'm not at all in favor of giving up a top 20 prospect for two months of Suarez. 

You are overvaluing our prospects.  I could respect trying to protect our top 5 or top 10, but if you wouldn't give up #19 (Craig Yoho per MLB top 30) I'm not sure what to say.  I'd do that in a heartbeat. Most of the top 11-19 would be worth it (one or two individuals there would give me pause). 

I think we are in prime position to reverse the "bites of the apple" approach this year to push the chips in a bit.  

 

[Matt]

11 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

You are overvaluing our prospects.  I could respect trying to protect our top 5 or top 10, but if you wouldn't give up #19 (Craig Yoho per MLB top 30) I'm not sure what to say.  I'd do that in a heartbeat. Most of the top 11-19 would be worth it (one or two individuals there would give me pause). 

I think we are in prime position to reverse the "bites of the apple" approach this year to push the chips in a bit.  

 

I really don't think I am. Rentals are basically never worth it, particularly at the plate. I'm not giving up 5-6 seasons of quality relief pitching for that.

[CheezWizHed]

4 minutes ago, Matt said:

I really don't think I am. Rentals are basically never worth it, particularly at the plate. I'm not giving up 5-6 seasons of quality relief pitching for that.

Historically, at least half of the 11-19 prospects from any given year amount to a career MLB WAR of 0 or less (CWH estimation). Rentals are certainly hit or miss, but this isn't exactly going out to get Schoop either. This would be a pretty big swing (pun intended) to fill our biggest hole on the team. 

[CheezWizHed]

9 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

Historically, at least half of the 11-19 prospects from any given year amount to a career MLB WAR of 0 or less (CWH estimation). Rentals are certainly hit or miss, but this isn't exactly going out to get Schoop either. This would be a pretty big swing (pun intended) to fill our biggest hole on the team. 

CWH Estimation method was too high.  I just took a peak at the MLB Top 30 from 2010-2020... it was more like 30% providing a positive WAR at the MLB level. 

I'm normally content with the "bites of the apple" approach, but this team feels a bit different.  The pitching is strong and deep.  Double sweeping the Dodgers had to be a pretty big confidence boost and I'm willing to buy in this year to up our chances at a WS>

[umphrey]

Hard to peg a value on Yoho. He kind of looks like Devin Williams with 6 years of control, and that would be quite valuable. But I don't really understand why he's not pitching for the MLB team. 19th ranked prospect and a reliever i don't blink twice trading him away, 6 years of control for a top 10 (let's say) closer that would definitely not be worth Suarez rental. 

[wiguy94]

25 minutes ago, umphrey said:

Hard to peg a value on Yoho. He kind of looks like Devin Williams with 6 years of control, and that would be quite valuable. But I don't really understand why he's not pitching for the MLB team. 19th ranked prospect and a reliever i don't blink twice trading him away, 6 years of control for a top 10 (let's say) closer that would definitely not be worth Suarez rental. 

Yeah it certainly depends on perspective. I'm a bit lower on Yoho than most at this point as I've become distrusting of leverage relievers who don't have good fastballs or velo. To me Yoho seems like a middle reliever type along the lines of a Hoby Milner or Grant Anderson. If we could get Suarez for Yoho straight up, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I imagine it wouldn't be close to enough to get Suarez or even the lesser Naylor.

[markedman5]

I’d move Yoho as part of a package but no way I’m giving up guys like Peña and Henderson for a rental.

 

[Brewer77]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

I really don't think I am. Rentals are basically never worth it, particularly at the plate. I'm not giving up 5-6 seasons of quality relief pitching for that.

There’s a decent chance that the surplus value of Yoho over Reliever B over the next 6 seasons is no greater than the surplus value of Suarez over Monasterio over the next 3 months

You would need the rental to be bad and Yoho to be very good for that type of trade to be meaningful painful for the Brewers. It’d be well worth the risk in my opinion 

[Matt]

38 minutes ago, Brewer77 said:

There’s a decent chance that the surplus value of Yoho over Reliever B over the next 6 seasons is no greater than the surplus value of Suarez over Monasterio over the next 3 months

You would need the rental to be bad and Yoho to be very good for that type of trade to be meaningful painful for the Brewers. It’d be well worth the risk in my opinion 

 

Suarez isn't taking ABs away from Monasterio, though. He'd be replacing a regular, one way or another. Maybe Vaughn, maybe Ortiz. I think it's highly unlikely the surplus value over those two come close to what I anticipate we'll see from Yoho.  

[cragi]

If it's Suarez, would the brewers make a minimal QO that would get rejected and get more out of it long term? I would think there is likely more value than 3 months

[sveumrules]

7 minutes ago, cragi said:

If it's Suarez, would the brewers make a minimal QO that would get rejected and get more out of it long term? I would think there is likely more value than 3 months

Player has to be on the team all year to get a QO so guys traded at the deadline are disqualified.