Trade deadline day thread

[Fear The Chorizo]

7 minutes ago, MilwaukeeBeers said:

Ok yes deal from depth that is fine and smart. But to waste an asset (albeit a low tier one) in a salary dump is where I get confused and annoyed. Especially when Nestor is not a negative value guy. Lockridge is a zero. My opinion on him is not gonna change we just acquired another Drew Avans. So what about the depth of those 4th and 5th OF types because we are swimming in them. 

When a system gets to the level of depth the Brewers currently have, these type of moves actually have to happen - only so many spots on minor league teams for prospects to develop, and when you're about #6 or 7 in the pecking order for playing time at the position you play  across a few similar low minor league levels, you're going to be out the door no matter how much talent you might have.  There's not room for you there with this team.

[markedman5]

In other news…….Vaughn ended Pressly’s  Cubs career…..

 

[karl]

3 hours ago, Brewer77 said:

Give me Willi Castro or give me death

Castro goes to the Cubs, Oh no

[snoogans8056]

After the draft Quintana is maybe our 5th best 18 year old shortstop?

I do worry about the PTBNL a little more now though. Please not my dear sweet Handelfrey.

[Joseph Zarr]

10 minutes ago, biedergb said:

I am with you Joseph, but just because someone may have a lot of money, doesn't mean they should buy $5 value with a $10 bill.

Jorge Quintana should carry top-30 prospect talent in most systems, and using him to move Cortes is dumbfounding since Cortes is a MLB caliber pitcher. We should be taking on assets, not losing them, let along one who is top 50 in our system (and top 30 is many systems)

Well, again, this is where how the Brewers view the players and our perceptions differ. Clearly they like Lockridge. I'm OK with it. They do things like this every year and I have learned to live with it. Given I watch the majority of the Sounds games I will with the possibility they find an Issac Collins and/or Blake Perkins via these avenues (yes, I realize those were ML Rule 5 and ML FA - hence, avenues). They rostered Capra and Roller. They let Shane Smith available for Rule 5. They are not perfect in their evaluations but there is zero doubt in my mind they are utterly faithful to their evaluation systems and criteria and they religiously stick to them. I can absolutely get behind that. I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. Now, granted, the majority of these AAAA players and moves end up being just that. But, it is an avenue they must exploit and they will certainly try to do so. I'm good with it. Heck, as you know, I love me some Jared Oliva and Daz Cameron. I loved me some late 2024 season Chris Roller. These are still great athletes and good baseball players - even if their likelihood of making it at 'The Big Show' is slim I'm along for the journey. 

[Ewitkows1]

Do we really even need miller? The bullpen has been fantastic for the last 2 months and we have some guys stashed in AAA. I don't see the need.

[wallus]

1 minute ago, Ewitkows1 said:

Do we really even need miller? The bullpen has been fantastic for the last 2 months and we have some guys stashed in AAA. I don't see the need.

Miller has been dominant this year

[Matt]

2 minutes ago, Ewitkows1 said:

Do we really even need miller? The bullpen has been fantastic for the last 2 months and we have some guys stashed in AAA. I don't see the need.

Some of those guys have really gotten a lot of work. 

[MilwaukeeBeers]

We can go back to calling Mark Attanasio cheap again but it was fun to feel like the Yankees for that hour. 

[Joseph Zarr]

2 minutes ago, Ewitkows1 said:

Do we really even need miller? The bullpen has been fantastic for the last 2 months and we have some guys stashed in AAA. I don't see the need.

Yeah, when Miller is right? He has been utterly shutdown dominant. He is an Ace up the late inning sleeve. You can't enough of guys his caliber in the post-season.

[markedman5]

 

[CheeseheadInQC]

On one hand, shipping Quintana in that deal feels like overkill. On the other, I wonder if the Brewers didn’t think Cortes was a plus starter anymore (or at least anymore this year). Even with their starter depth, this isn’t a deal you do if you still think he is a solid mid-rotation starter.

[Joseph Zarr]

Oh boy the 'Cash or PTBNL' has me puckered and a wee shaky in the knees. I must fortify the gates and walls around 'Camp Handelfry & Josh'.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

Not Steward? Weird we have so many 4th/5th OF types it's an embarrassment of riches well not riches but you get the idea

[Bulldogboy]

1 hour ago, rccola42 said:

Look, we all know SS is a major issue, and it's not what we foresaw before the season. I'm sure the front office sees it just as we do. The problem is that this deadline offered no meaningful upgrades at that position or at 2B either, if moving Turang over was even an option mid-season.

While I wish we were able to do more, we can take solace in knowing that none of the other NL teams besides the Padres made earth shattering moves that will drastically affect our chances.

And I do believe this sets us up with the best farm system in the league that will be fully capable of pulling off a major move in the off-season at SS or another position of need, when the actual star level players become available.

But I'm not judging anyone who is incredibly disappointed at today's results.

There is no indication that this team has any interest in making a major move. None

[JCREW]

Just wait.

This winter

Lockridge and Sandy Leon -> ATH

Shea Langaliers -> ATL

Drake Baldwin and a couple of ATH's pitchers ->MKE

[endaround]

11 minutes ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

On one hand, shipping Quintana in that deal feels like overkill. On the other, I wonder if the Brewers didn’t think Cortes was a plus starter anymore (or at least anymore this year). Even with their starter depth, this isn’t a deal you do if you still think he is a solid mid-rotation starter.

I think it was they saw a way to get Miller and needed to free up salary space quickly, so were willing to overpay to do so. If Cortes was able to make at least some post rehab MLB starts I think they probably wouldn't have had to do anything but alas.

[Joseph Zarr]

According to Arnold, Miller is holding his velo in good bullpen sessions and they envision him going out on a rehab stint very soon. AND it appears, according to Arnold (tho, not confirmed - please confirm so I can let Josh and Handelfry breathe more freely. I have them locked in my toolshed.) this deal only cost cash:

 

[tmwiese55]

Was confusing as it all happened, but now it makes sense.  It essentially works out as Cortez and the minor leaguer for Miller and Lockridge.  And now news is out that Chourio will go to DL, so Lockridge is needed to fill in for two weeks, so more 'making sense'.

Things that don't to me, with how loaded their farm is how do you not get an improvement on Monasterio to have some insurance on an injury to any IF. It wouldn't cost top prospects.  Castro from MN was the name that made sense, so I'd have to read or see wht folks here say on what Cubs gave up for him vs what we could've. 

Also, not that Elvis and Hudson are awesome. But they're two guys that have been competent relievers the last few years, Couldn't they have been included or traded somehow rather than just cutting. Considering the value rental just ok relivers go for you'd think you could get something.  I guess we'll see, but I'd think someone picks them up.  I'd note that if Hudson's velo is still way down in AAA then maybe he shouldn't be included here. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

For whatever it's worth (Aldi's bargain aisle?), here's my condensed synopsis:

Unlike what some on here are probably thinking, Arnold & his staff didn't spend the day with their feet on their desks sucking on Clark Bars. They had a clear vision of who they had interest in & what they were willing to trade to get it, probably felt all along the prices for what was available were too high, and were proven correct.

Miller has had an OK career but has been very good in 2025. He hasn't pitched since 7/5 so when he's ready to return from the IL (expected to be shortly) he should be rested, something the team probably finds very appealing given the BP workload. I can't wait for Sophia to tell everyone he's a former all-star.

The Lockridge deal certainly has the 'why him?' look about it since he's an OF. Nothing impressive at the MLB level, but when you look at his AAA numbers (184 games) there's a BA just under .300, an OBP just below .400 and despite little power an OPS of almost .800. The 'why him' is answered by the apparent fact that Cortes just didn't appeal to anyone.

Given what's ahead of him in the INF (and how we drafted) I'm OK with Quintana going.

On a scale of 1-10 with one being never trading prospects & ten being Preller, I think we generally need to be around a 3.5 given the financial restraints. I think we were a little more conservative than that this time around, yet we rolled the dice w/Yoph Rodriguez earlier in the season & came out looking pretty good, and IMO overpaid for Jansen. So I think the accusations of prospect-hugging are more than anything a convenient b****ing point when folks get frustrated. At the end of the day we need to be smarter than most other organizations, and more often than not we seem to be. I'd have liked someone like Castro or even IKF, but they've earned our trust.

[Bulldogboy]

1 hour ago, gregmag said:

I really don’t care how people feel. Sports fandom involves all kinds of emotions. I want smart moves that help. If the only available moves aren’t smart — sending out substantial assets for low-probability “upgrades” — then the smartest move is standing pat. If some people feel unhappy about that, then they can feel perfectly free to stop watching and supporting the best team in baseball.

You know it's a wild one when guys are saying stuff like the they can just not watch us anymore. 😏 

[ClosetBrewerFan]

5 minutes ago, endaround said:

I think it was they saw a way to get Miller and needed to free up salary space quickly, so were willing to overpay to do so. If Cortes was able to make at least some post rehab MLB starts I think they probably wouldn't have had to do anything but alas.

I can buy this argument. But that definitely supports the Brewers being cheap.  So they had no room in the payroll at all?  We are only talking about few million increase.  What about all the sellouts they have had recently, particularly the weekday Miz starts.  We are not investing that into this roster?

I clearly overvalued Cortes.  I hope I am underselling lockridge.

[Bulldogboy]

2 minutes ago, ClosetBrewerFan said:

I can buy this argument. But that definitely supports the Brewers being cheap.  So they had no room in the payroll at all?  We are only talking about few million increase.  What about all the sellouts they have had recently, particularly the weekday Miz starts.  We are not investing that into this roster?

I clearly overvalued Cortes.  I hope I am underselling lockridge.

Exactly. The only way you could afford Miller was to sell Cortez. That's brutal 

[Jim French Stepstool]

6 minutes ago, tmwiese55 said:

Was confusing as it all happened, but now it makes sense.  It essentially works out as Cortez and the minor leaguer for Miller and Lockridge.  And now news is out that Chourio will go to DL, so Lockridge is needed to fill in for two weeks, so more 'making sense'.

Things that don't to me, with how loaded their farm is how do you not get an improvement on Monasterio to have some insurance on an injury to any IF. It wouldn't cost top prospects.  Castro from MN was the name that made sense, so I'd have to read or see wht folks here say on what Cubs gave up for him vs what we could've. 

Also, not that Elvis and Hudson are awesome. But they're two guys that have been competent relievers the last few years, Couldn't they have been included or traded somehow rather than just cutting.  I guess we'll see, but I'd think someone picks them up.  I'd note that if Hudson's velo is still way down in AAA then maybe he shouldn't be included here. 

Can Peguero & Hudson be dealt from DFA limbo, since they aren't on the ML roster? I thought there was a rule to that effect (perhaps the 40-man plays into it).

[snoogans8056]

18 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

There is no indication that this team has any interest in making a major move. None

Quinn Priester is better than anyone traded today.