Brewers Trade Aaron Civale To White Sox For Andrew Vaughn

[Lloyd330]

34 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

Now, the Brewers can trade Hoskins to the Red Sox.

Hoskins for Story

[Jopal78]

2 minutes ago, Lloyd330 said:

Hoskins for Story

Do you mean a story, or Trevor Story the guy who has a 55 million dollar guarantee after this season? Because that Story won’t be coming to Milwaukee. 

[Team Canada]

48 minutes ago, JosephC said:

Civale has no value for them unless injuries would have forced him back into the rotation

Civale has value as a pitcher for the Brewers even if they wanted to keep him as a bulk reliever in the bullpen - arguably more than just swapping for Vaughn. Clearly they feel they have enough bodies, but it's doing to look shortsighted if Patrick suddenly craters or a reliever gets hurt or something. Hopefully they actually see something in Vaughn and weren't just looking to dump him to the first caller.

[CheeseheadInQC]

Weird trade. I get that the data seems to indicate he has been better than his results this season, but even a return to his previous levels isn’t exactly ideal.

[brewcrewdue80]

With Vaughn being down in AAA and removing Civale from 26man gives an opening for one?

[jay87shot]

I don't get this other than to save a few million. 

This is not a play for next year, Vaughn will never be tendered a contract. I get there is a little upside since he was the #3 pick and the White Sox haven't been developing players. However at 27 I doubt he is going to be better than Jake Bauers, EMJ, or even Bobby Dalbac. With only a couple months I don't see any playing time and again no way he is tendered a contract next year.

 

 

 

[RobertCrawley]

55 minutes ago, wallus said:

Send him to the hitting lab. (Do we have one of those?)

Yes, but he's in his kennel at the moment.

[Lloyd330]

49 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Do you mean a story, or Trevor Story the guy who has a 55 million dollar guarantee after this season? Because that Story won’t be coming to Milwaukee. 

Yes, that story. The one that has a buy out after this season, which he might take.  - Redsox would have to kick in some $$

[liveforoctober]

1 minute ago, Lloyd330 said:

Yes, that story - Redsox would have to kick in all the $$

There, fixed it for you.

[liveforoctober]

10 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

I don't get this other than to save a few million. 

This is not a play for next year, Vaughn will never be tendered a contract. I get there is a little upside since he was the #3 pick and the White Sox haven't been developing players. However at 27 I doubt he is going to be better than Jake Bauers, EMJ, or even Bobby Dalbac. With only a couple months I don't see any playing time and again no way he is tendered a contract next year.

 

 

 

Civale wasn't likely to pitch for us again after what happened. The options were DFA or trade him for peanuts.

What the Brewers got is a former #3 overall pick who we now have a few months head start to work with and gain favor so WHEN he is non tendered and has his pick of a new team, the Brewers have a leg up if they want it. With an open competition seemingly next year at 1B ... Vaughn also has all the reason to work hard and want to stay.

It isn't much but it is a glimpse of a something ... which is just about what we were going to get for Civale.

[Jopal78]

47 minutes ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

Weird trade. I get that the data seems to indicate he has been better than his results this season, but even a return to his previous levels isn’t exactly ideal.

I do not have high hopes for Andrew Vaughn, that being said he was a  #3 pick for a reason it’s not like he was a sleeper or a reach. He played 57 games in the minor leagues before debuting in the majors then played for three different managers and two different GM’s in 4+ years. 

So maybe just maybe there’s some untapped potential in there. we shall see.

One other factor to consider is whether or not arbitration salaries are guaranteed.  It’s my understanding if the player and team come to terms before the filing deadline. The contract is guaranteed if they do not, thenit may not be guarantee. The Brewers might have some financial wiggle room to keep Vaughan around next year at a price more palpable to them.

[Playing Catch]

1 hour ago, Jopal78 said:

Montas went to the Mets as a free agent. Not the Athletics.

(I'm dumb. For some reason my mind went straight to the Severino contract --- which is dumb because he doesn't even strike a lot of guys out these days).

[Jopal78]

These trades make me think of one other thing: the sea change that has happened in Milwaukee over the last 20 years. Go back to the late 90s early 2000s a Brewers pitcher with a winning career record and career ERA of 4.01 would be at the front of the rotation not being traded off the spare parts

[endaround]

All of this talk about Vaughn reminds me of all the talk Lamet in the Hader trade.  Like there was a plan or something besides letting him go.  Its just a way to send money without involving the commissioner's office.

[Jopal78]

3 minutes ago, endaround said:

All of this talk about Vaughn reminds me of all the talk Lamet in the Hader trade.  Like there was a plan or something besides letting him go.  Its just a way to send money without involving the commissioner's office.

??? The Brewers are sending money TO the White Sox with Civale

[owbc]

2 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

These trades make me think of one other thing: the sea change that has happened in Milwaukee over the last 20 years. Go back to the late 90s early 2000s a Brewers pitcher with a winning career record and career ERA of 4.01 would be at the front of the rotation not being traded off the spare parts

Even the lack of drama around this trade is something to be celebrated. Quickly and effectively dealt with. Helps that Miz had that killer debut though, after the third or fourth inning Civale may as well have been on the bus to Chicago. 

[Outlander]

1 hour ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

With Vaughn being down in AAA and removing Civale from 26man gives an opening for one?

Grant Anderson is back.

[endaround]

20 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

??? The Brewers are sending money TO the White Sox with Civale

The Brewers are basically sending all of Civale's salary along with him, part in cash and part in taking back Vaughn's contract. Similar in how the Brewers sent part of Hader's salary along with him when they took back Lamet.

[Underachiever]

I'm just glad we can quit being unhappy with Civale's trade request, and move on to complaining about the return for him.

[Jopal78]

3 minutes ago, endaround said:

The Brewers are basically sending all of Civale's salary along with him, part in cash and part in taking back Vaughn's contract. Similar in how the Brewers sent part of Hader's salary along with him when they took back Lamet.

I’m still not following. Teams do not have to balance contracts in MLB.  They could trade Civale for future considerations if they wanted to. 
 

I could be wrong but Milwaukee sending cash likely means the White Sox do not have room in their budget to add major league salary, not an issue with the Comissioner’s office 

[jay87shot]

1 hour ago, liveforoctober said:

Civale wasn't likely to pitch for us again after what happened. The options were DFA or trade him for peanuts.

What the Brewers got is a former #3 overall pick who we now have a few months head start to work with and gain favor so WHEN he is non tendered and has his pick of a new team, the Brewers have a leg up if they want it. With an open competition seemingly next year at 1B ... Vaughn also has all the reason to work hard and want to stay.

 

It isn't much but it is a glimpse of a something ... which is just about what we were going to get for Civale.

 

Civale would have pitched in relief if we wanted him to. No pitcher is going to refuse to go into a game, especially a 4/5 starter before free agency. This wasn't a nfl holdout or nba superstar refusing to play until traded. Civale would have pitched, we could have taken a few weeks if necessary to find a better deal. We traded a player with a slightly positive value for a player with an extremely negative value.

Vaughn has been a -1.5 WAR player this year and is hitting like .211 in AAA. With EMJ, Dalbac, Clarke, and Black in AAA I don't even see much playing time in Nashville. Sure having him in the org. maybe gives us a leg up next year after he is nontendered. But then he is taking playing time from Adams, Burke, Boeve, Wilken, and the other 1B depth. 

I like the way some on else put it, Vaughn is like the Lamet end of the Hader deal. 

[liveforoctober]

4 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

Civale would have pitched in relief if we wanted him to. No pitcher is going to refuse to go into a game, especially a 4/5 starter before free agency. This wasn't a nfl holdout or nba superstar refusing to play until traded. Civale would have pitched, we could have taken a few weeks if necessary to find a better deal. We traded a player with a slightly positive value for a player with an extremely negative value.

Vaughn has been a -1.5 WAR player this year and is hitting like .211 in AAA. With EMJ, Dalbac, Clarke, and Black in AAA I don't even see much playing time in Nashville. Sure having him in the org. maybe gives us a leg up next year after he is nontendered. But then he is taking playing time from Adams, Burke, Boeve, Wilken, and the other 1B depth. 

I like the way some on else put it, Vaughn is like the Lamet end of the Hader deal. 

I don't necessarily disagree with anything you've said. He would have pitched if asked. I personally would not have asked once he played his cards. I will also say that prior to this year Vaughn was slightly better than replacement level for his career and is still just 27.  Crazier things have happened than him turning himself into a useful major league player.  Let's get the White Sox stench off of him and see what we have before giving him the Lamet treatment.

[Team Canada]

2 hours ago, jay87shot said:

I don't get this other than to save a few million.

They're not. Cash is going to Chicago so this is a zero-sum trade as far as money goes.

[Harold Hutchison]

I see a platoon partner for Martinez in 2026/2027. Maybe an asset to flip if he does well in that role.

[Playing Catch]

Vaughn's xwOBA is higher in 2025 than in '23 or '24. Surprising.