Brewers Trade Aaron Civale To White Sox For Andrew Vaughn

[wallus]

Civale only made sense for the Sox if they traded him at the deadline.

[Frisbee Slider]

13 hours ago, wallus said:

Civale only made sense for the Sox if they traded him at the deadline.

I see merit to the White Sox finishing 2025 strong. They need to be able to win three game series eventually. Maybe Civale resigns in Chicago?

[sveumrules]

Speaking of the White Sox. Last year they had the worst record in over 50 years, but were not eligible for the draft lottery with the new stipulations so they picked 10th this year.

Now this year the Rockies could end up in the same neighborhood as the White Sox last year, but they too are not eligible for the draft lottery so will pick not higher than 10th either.

The Nationals currently have the 3rd worst record in MLB, but are also not eligible for the lottery so will likely end up with pick #11.

White Sox are once again eligible after missing out last year so they should end up with top odds for the #1 pick next year.

[Matt]

Does anyone here know what's true? I have no reason to believe McCalvy is wrong, but Spotrac has him as a FA in 2027 and Fangraphs has him a FA in 2028. 

[BallFour]

6 minutes ago, Matt said:

Does anyone here know what's true? I have no reason to believe McCalvy is wrong, but Spotrac has him as a FA in 2027 and Fangraphs has him a FA in 2028. 

Since the White Sox sent him down to the minors and he stayed in AAA for as long as he did he won't have enough service time to become a free agent after next year thus becoming a FA in 2028.

[Frisbee Slider]

Vaughn could have a very interesting arbitration case. For all he has achieved since July 7, he is -0.7 WAR this season.

[Outlander]

Two arbitration years won't be cheap, sure looks like a tender at this point though with the rotating 1B we have had since Fielder left. When acquired it appeared like his arbitration number would be similar to 2025 but would think Vaughn is looking for a raise now. Still a bunch of game in the season though.

[igor67]

After we win the World Series it will all be fine.

[Underachiever]

8 minutes ago, igor67 said:

After we win the World Series it will all be fine.

I’m already worried that they won’t do enough at the 2026 deadline to repeat as WS champions. 

[igor67]

5 minutes ago, Underachiever said:

I’m already worried that they won’t do enough at the 2026 deadline to repeat as WS champions. 

That's fair.  🙃

[Jake McKibbin]

9 hours ago, Matt said:

Does anyone here know what's true? I have no reason to believe McCalvy is wrong, but Spotrac has him as a FA in 2027 and Fangraphs has him a FA in 2028. 

Much as Adam is a fantastic beat writer, the full credit to this should go to @wiguy94who spotted it roughly 12 nanoseconds after the trade was complete. 

He's been saying as much for over a month now.

Its based on his service time being reduced because of his time in Triple A, and he won't accrue 6 years of service time now until 2027

 

[sveumrules]

1 hour ago, Frisbee Slider said:

Vaughn could have a very interesting arbitration case. For all he has achieved since July 7, he is -0.7 WAR this season.

Where are you seeing -0.7 WAR? I’ve got -0.4 on BRef and 0.1 on FanGraphs?

Either way, Arby is a little more old school and tends to put more weight on the baseball card stats.

Like Vaughn put up 0.2 WAR on BRef and -0.1 on FanGraphs last year but still got almost $6M in Arby because he had a more respectable 19 HR | 70 RBI.

[Frisbee Slider]

1 minute ago, sveumrules said:

Where are you seeing -0.7 WAR? I’ve got -0.4 on BRef and 0.1 on FanGraphs?

My apologies, I just refreshed BRef and it shows -0.4 WAR. You are right. He must’ve been very recently lower than that. 

[adambr2]

1 hour ago, Jake McKibbin said:

Much as Adam is a fantastic beat writer, the full credit to this should go to @wiguy94who spotted it roughly 12 nanoseconds after the trade was complete. 

He's been saying as much for over a month now.

Its based on his service time being reduced because of his time in Triple A, and he won't accrue 6 years of service time now until 2027

 

I brought that up on page 5 as well, but at the time I mentioned it was probably going to be a red herring as he would probably be non-tendered next year anyway, which is looks like I’ll be mistaken about.

Adam McCalvy has been a beat writer for long enough where he should be well versed on the 172 day big league requirement for a full service year and should know that can be easily manipulated in a 185-190 day season with a short trip to the minors.

I mean that with no disrespect to @wiguy94who is indeed an intelligent poster.

[sveumrules]

6 minutes ago, Frisbee Slider said:

My apologies, I just refreshed BRef and it shows -0.4 WAR. You are right. He must’ve been very recently lower than that. 

No worries, I thought maybe there was some newfandangled third WAR out there I didn’t know about.

Pretty sure BPro has their own version too based on their “deserved” stats, but I’ve never dabbled much there.

[adambr2]

Discussing the Hoskins plan when he gets back —

I don’t think either player is going to like this very much but I don’t know if anything makes more sense than a straight up DH platoon of Yelich and Hoskins.

[CheezWizHed]

No matter what Vaughn gets in arbitration, it will be less than Hoskins is getting this year.

I was also wondering what will happen to Hoskins and Bauers... can't keep them both.  And no way are they replacing Vaughn right now. 

[liveforoctober]

6 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Discussing the Hoskins plan when he gets back —

I don’t think either player is going to like this very much but I don’t know if anything makes more sense than a straight up DH platoon of Yelich and Hoskins.

I mentioned this a few days back too. A platoon at DH with Yeli and Hoskins would make our lineup pretty sick... But I don't know how either would handle it and I'm not sure Murphy could do it. But it is the right move right now. 

[Roderick]

My biggest fear was that Murphy would play the grizzled veteran Hoskins quite a bit in place of Vaughn. 

But the longer Vaughn keeps on keeping on, even Murphy wouldn't do that, right?  Right?

[Playing Catch]

I don't think the impending roster crunch will have as much drama attached to it as we think on August 7th. They can option Monasterio, Siegler, and/or Lockridge. Even Durbin and Collins have options. In addition, on August 7th many of us wouldn't blink if they DFA'd Hoskins and Bauers (although I don't like the idea of Hoskins catching on somewhere in the National League and hurting the Brewers later). Tyler Black can backfill the Bauers bench-AAA-shuttle role decently enough.

I think their playoff roster could feature Hoskins on the bench in place of either Monasterio or Seigler. I think it kind of depends on if the Brewers think Siegler can play shortstop near Monasterio-levels.

As much as people rag on Seigler getting playing time, I think the Brewers want a lefty on the bench. For myself, I'd rather have him on the 26-man roster instead of Bauers or Black, who are so compromised by their inability to play 3rd.

[markedman5]

They aren’t going to platoon Yelich…….just not happening.

Hoskins is going to be mostly a bench bat if Vaughn keeps hitting…….seems pretty clear cut.

if somebody gets hurt,  Vaughn slumps or days off are needed then things change.

[dlk9s]

2 hours ago, liveforoctober said:

I mentioned this a few days back too. A platoon at DH with Yeli and Hoskins would make our lineup pretty sick... But I don't know how either would handle it and I'm not sure Murphy could do it. But it is the right move right now. 

It is absolutely not the right move. There is more to managing a team than squeezing out every OBP point. Can you imagine the reaction in the clubhouse if Yelich was demoted to a platoon? He's the leader of the team and is having a good season. Suddenly platooning him would hit the clubhouse 10x worse than trading Hader did.

[dlk9s]

If Vaughn keeps going even remotely close to how he's going now, I don't see any way Murphy benches him when Hoskins returns. And as much as Hoskins would hate it, I actually think he'd understand.

[markedman5]

3 minutes ago, dlk9s said:

If Vaughn keeps going even remotely close to how he's going now, I don't see any way Murphy benches him when Hoskins returns. And as much as Hoskins would hate it, I actually think he'd understand.

Agreed…….by all accounts Hoskins is a first class teammate…….he might not like it but I think he’d understand. 

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

We have two extra spots come September, so that will help roster crunch wise.

Vaughn and Priester have been so so crazy good. Like, the only other Brewer trade acquisitions I can remember with that kind of impact were Adames and CC. Maybe I'm missing someone. But holy crap is that ever good company.