Trade deadline day thread

[Brewcrew82]

1 hour ago, BruisedCrew said:

Either I’m too stupid or you are not being very clear. What is your point?

Where was all of this analysis when the Brewers acquired Vaughn telling everyone what a great move it was?

See Svuem’s post.

[markedman5]

7 hours ago, Bulldogboy said:

In fact there were plenty of upgrades out there. The Mets and Yankees added 4 relief pitchers a piece. Just a matter of the price. Again we are all fans of the same team so it's just how you see it. I think they could have done more. You feel like they have the best team in baseball and couldn't.  We shall see where you land if they get lapped by the field in a month or so.

Yeah the Yankees sure did add some Pitchers…..I can only imagine this board if we had made those trades and this happened……lol

 

[Jim French Stepstool]

5 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Start of today Brewers ranked 5th in MLB in runs per game.  They are 7th in Runs allowed per game in MLB. Better than all 4 teams that are ahead of them in runs scored per game.

Keep in mind the first 4 games of season, team was outscored 47-15.  That accounts for 11.1% of total 422 runs scored by opponents.  Of 3.7pct games played on season.

 

They would be 2nd in baseball at 3.61 runs per game, removing that horrid start.

The team isnt mid in baseball. That's top 5 stuff. With rookies improving as they gain experience. With injured players having impacts upon return. Yeli is over 20HRs on an entire season with 54 games in regular season to go.  So I give a pass on the deadline results.

 

But you forgot to throw out some of their better offensive performances. Isn't that still a thing on here?

[CheeseheadInQC]

Also, a little dose of perspective on the impact that traded hitters have had in recent seasons.

Tonight, Andrew Vaughn likely hit the 1.0 fWAR mark since coming over to the Brewers. I believe only two players who were traded during the 2024 season bested that for their new teams: Luis Arraez (1.1 fWAR, who was traded pretty early in the season, and Jazz Chisholm, who was obviously exceptional for the Yankees. Randy Arozarena at least came close. Of the 2023 group, the two best were Josh Rojas and Jake Burger at 1.1 fWAR, with Mark Canha in third at 0.9. I believe you had as many or more guys who got released or waived putting up 1+ WAR for their new teams than those who got traded.

[Scooterfletcher]

Yeah, dudes whining about Suarez are dumb.  Proof is in the Arnold pudding.

[greenlawler]

15 hours ago, kestrel79 said:

How about we just trust this Brewers Front Office knows what they are doing? How many similar comments did we all see on these boards for the Vaughn trade, the Priester Trade, any signing this off season the past couple years and you know what? These deals have worked out for the most part and proven all of us wrong.

There's a reason they were FO of the year last year, and most likely this year as well. Manager of the year too. How about we all just shut up and see what these guys can do and trust the system? I think they've earned that from us.

Didn't we add Donaldson really late a couple years ago to our roster down the stretch? If we add any veteran depth going forward, I bet it will be a really late add like that again and work out maybe?

I was disappointed like the rest of us, but looking back at all our moves the past couple years most of them worked out pretty damn good so I'm just gonna trust these guys know what they are doing.

Let's trust the front office when they actually win something. We sat back and did literally nothing to add a bat. We are so close THIS YEAR. Why not go all in and add a quality third baseman? How many times do we have to watch the Crew lose in the first round because we cannot find a hit?

[narwhalattack]

2 hours ago, greenlawler said:

Let's trust the front office when they actually win something. We sat back and did literally nothing to add a bat. We are so close THIS YEAR. Why not go all in and add a quality third baseman? How many times do we have to watch the Crew lose in the first round because we cannot find a hit?

So who did you have in mind? I keep seeing people screaming “DO SOMETHING” while not seeing anyone who would’ve been sufficient enough upgrades. Suarez? Dude’s a 34 year old one trick pony who’s a defensive liability and strikes out a ton. It’s possible that we offered something and the Dbacks just liked what the Mariners had to offer more. Correa? He was never gonna come here. McMahon? Also strikes out a ton and was helped by playing in Coors Field. None of the available guys are just some magical panacea that will automatically net this team a WS title. 
 

This team has gotten as far as it did and is doing as well as they’re doing by investing in young, controllable talent that have the chance to improve. Not by chasing aging rentals just for the sake of doing something.

[Frisbee Slider]

5 hours ago, greenlawler said:

Why not go all in and add a quality third baseman?

Durbin OBP: .344

Eugenio Suarez: .319

Durbin has 9th best OBP of any 3B with 250 AB or more this season.

Durbin has 9.5% K rate, which is astonishing to me. Best of any 3B in MLB (minimum 250 AB).

[BruisedCrew]

7 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

But you forgot to throw out some of their better offensive performances. Isn't that still a thing on here?

I see the blue, but I think it is legitimate to point out the impact of huge scoring games when citing runs per game over a relatively small number of games.

When you’re talking about averages over two thirds of the season the impact of those games is diluted to the point of insignificance. 

[da swedish german]

I feel like people who get all worked up and whiney about the trade deadline watch espn

[SF70]

5 hours ago, greenlawler said:

Let's trust the front office when they actually win something. We sat back and did literally nothing to add a bat. We are so close THIS YEAR. Why not go all in and add a quality third baseman? How many times do we have to watch the Crew lose in the first round because we cannot find a hit?

It wasn’t a hit that was needed to advance last season — it was Williams just doing his job.

The evidence of our FO being the best in this game has reached critical mass this past year. Another executive of the year award on top of last year’s EOY, should, but probably still won’t silence the critics.

Unbelievable.

[MVP2110]

2 hours ago, BruisedCrew said:

I see the blue, but I think it is legitimate to point out the impact of huge scoring games when citing runs per game over a relatively small number of games.

When you’re talking about averages over two thirds of the season the impact of those games is diluted to the point of insignificance. 

Logically speaking, if you are going to remove their best games then you should also remove their worst games. Or just use median instead of average, in which case their median runs scored in a game is 5

[liveforoctober]

8 hours ago, greenlawler said:

Let's trust the front office when they actually win something. We sat back and did literally nothing to add a bat. We are so close THIS YEAR. Why not go all in and add a quality third baseman? How many times do we have to watch the Crew lose in the first round because we cannot find a hit?

So if in the next 10 years we win the division 6 times, make the playoffs 8 times, make it to the NLCS 3 times and make 2 world series but never win the whole thing ... are we still not trusting that the FO is doing something right because we don't have a title?

[Ewitkows1]

I feel like we needed to raise the floor and there's no plan B if something were to happen to ortiz at SS without moving everyone around. I would have liked to see us pick up a quality inf would could play short. 

[MVP2110]

Just now, Ewitkows1 said:

I feel like we needed to raise the floor and there's no plan B if something were to happen to ortiz at SS without moving everyone around. I would have liked to see us pick up a quality inf would could play short. 

This is the one legitimate gripe I have with the deadline as well. That said those guys didn't really move. Willie Castro & Ramon Urias can't play SS well. IKF didn't get traded(for some reason?). Correa was only accepting a trade to Houston. Maybe Caballero?

[LouisEly]

3 hours ago, BruisedCrew said:

I see the blue, but I think it is legitimate to point out the impact of huge scoring games when citing runs per game over a relatively small number of games.

When you’re talking about averages over two thirds of the season the impact of those games is diluted to the point of insignificance. 

Do you have any stats that show that the other top scoring teams in the league don't have huge scoring games and consistently score a lot or runs every single night?

Because I disproved that earlier this season, but that was earlier this season and maybe things have changed over the last 6 weeks or so.

[formerlybis]

Last night was a good illustration about the dangers of being drawn to a guy like Abrams. He’s unquestionably a better offensive producer than Ortiz, but by my subjective perception, his atrocious defense made the game unwinnable for the Nats. You want to think that every defensive position is equally important, but SS is the anchor spot - I have no data to back that up, but I have believed it from the time I started playing T-ball. Do I wish we had better bats and some depth on the left side of the infield? Sure. But I also believe we’d be a worse team with Abrams - I don’t believe that one bat > all the runs not prevented due to poor D. Probably feel the same about Suarez. It’s not unarguable, though.

[ghostdrew]

since everyone was so against getting Ryan McMahon how is he working out in New York

[CheeseheadInQC]

21 minutes ago, ghostdrew said:

since everyone was so against getting Ryan McMahon how is he working out in New York

All he has to do is keep that BABIP above .500.

Maybe he’ll adjust more quickly to being out of Coors than expected and other improvements will balance out the inevitable BABIP fall, but I am skeptical given the K-rate and contact profile are still bad even during his hot start for the Yankees.

[liveforoctober]

33 minutes ago, ghostdrew said:

since everyone was so against getting Ryan McMahon how is he working out in New York

If you Google his name you should be able to find some links to his stat lines on the season, then you would just need to only look at the last 25 at bats, those would be his New York stats. 

Also while you are there take a peak at the offensive production of our 3b during that same time frame ;)

[wiguy94]

1 hour ago, formerlybis said:

Last night was a good illustration about the dangers of being drawn to a guy like Abrams. He’s unquestionably a better offensive producer than Ortiz, but by my subjective perception, his atrocious defense made the game unwinnable for the Nats. You want to think that every defensive position is equally important, but SS is the anchor spot - I have no data to back that up, but I have believed it from the time I started playing T-ball. Do I wish we had better bats and some depth on the left side of the infield? Sure. But I also believe we’d be a worse team with Abrams - I don’t believe that one bat > all the runs not prevented due to poor D. Probably feel the same about Suarez. It’s not unarguable, though.

Yeah I always had the caveat that you can only trade for Abrams if the Brewers think they could fix his defense at SS because it's bad. In the 4 games against the Brewers he has looked really bad defensively. Not just errors and misplays but also mental errors like not covering 3B allowing Monasterio to advance to 3B on a ground ball to the 3B.

[ghostdrew]

7 minutes ago, liveforoctober said:

If you Google his name you should be able to find some links to his stat lines on the season, then you would just need to only look at the last 25 at bats, those would be his New York stats. 

Also while you are there take a peak at the offensive production of our 3b during that same time frame ;)

I'm well aware of all that but its the change of scenery that would work here .Even as a bench hitter it might have worked and his 3years before this were not bad .

[liveforoctober]

6 minutes ago, ghostdrew said:

I'm well aware of all that but its the change of scenery that would work here .Even as a bench hitter it might have worked and his 3years before this were not bad .

$12mil/yr for a bench bat though :(

[Playing Catch]

I agree with the eye test on Abrams. Last night's error wasn't just poor execution. It looked lazy. Side-armed from the hole moving away from first base with little chance of getting the out. Just bad decision-making.

With that said, I thought the whole team looked like they were disappointed at not being acquired by a better team.

[BruisedCrew]

4 hours ago, MVP2110 said:

Logically speaking, if you are going to remove their best games then you should also remove their worst games. Or just use median instead of average, in which case their median runs scored in a game is 5

 

3 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Do you have any stats that show that the other top scoring teams in the league don't have huge scoring games and consistently score a lot or runs every single night?

Because I disproved that earlier this season, but that was earlier this season and maybe things have changed over the last 6 weeks or so.

I was just responding to the general comment about throwing out high scores. I noted that it was meant in jest but just wanted to point out that in some contexts (specifically runs scored in a small number of games) scoring a huge number of runs in a game or two can provide a skewed picture of how an offense has performed.

I thought that the Brewers having games with 17, 14, and 11 runs in their first 24 games this year was one of those cases. When you combine those games with a lot of games scoring  2 runs a team might not win as many games as the number of runs might suggest.

I thought my comment about those high scoring games being diluted in a large sample of games made it clear that I wasn't trying to downplay the Brewers season long scoring numbers. But apparently some took it that way. 

When it comes to the Brewers offense this season, I am much more encouraged by how dramatically they have cut down on those games of 0-2 runs over the last 6 weeks or so compared to the first part of the season. I don't get that excited about scoring 16 or 17 runs when scoring 8 or 9 would be enough to win.