Luis Lara Called Up By Brewers To Make MLB Debut

[DonBarclay]

1 minute ago, formerlybis said:

Why is Greg Jones the next man up if Hamilton need to go on the IL? We need infielders...

My speculative guess: they think there’s a small chance Hamilton goes to the IL. If he does, they have no problem DFAing Jones if they need a mid to long term replacement. If it’s just through the all star break, they may just trust Joey and Pratt and have Vaughn and Frelick as emergency options before having to DFA Jones.  

[cragi]

11 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Hiura got 1057 PAs with the Brewers, struck out 36% of the time and hit only 50 homers in those 1057 PAs. And that’s after playing all levels of the minor leagues.

While Fischer's K rate is an obvious concern, Hiura's best minor league season saw less HRs than Fischer today at the midpoint of the season

[rickh150]

Perkins and Black are obvious guys to remove from 40 man if they so choose to bring up a Fischer/Made.  Fischer is white hot now at a mlb weak position, and Made is the #1 prospect in baseball.  It's not crazy to try either up, not that I expect this.  The option is there to try it though and not be tied up trying to keep others on 40 man roster.

[liveforoctober]

1 minute ago, DonBarclay said:

My speculative guess: they think there’s a small chance Hamilton goes to the IL. If he does, they have no problem DFAing Jones if they need a mid to long term replacement. If it’s just through the all star break, they may just trust Joey and Pratt and have Vaughn and Frelick as emergency options before having to DFA Jones.  

Yeah, not many choices on the 40 man for IF depth. Jones over Black is a little head scratching if they are bussing over an 'in case' guy. Black had success here earlier this year and while we don't want him playing 3rd.. he can. He has done it before. Unless he has an injury we are unaware of.

[Playing Catch]

13 minutes ago, JoeyWiemerTruther said:

Made or Fischer will not see MLB ABs this year so people need to get that thought out of their head to avoid disappointment. 

I agree that it's pretty unlikely, for all of the well-discussed ideas above.

I don't, however, agree with those that think it would be impossible that neither one could be a better offensive option in September than any player Fisher or Made could be traded for. Their ceilings make them difficult for a small-budget team to trade, for that reason. They're really legit prospects. It would be aggressive to promote them, of course, but those kinds of moves have been happening more often across the league with prospects of their caliber.

[liveforoctober]

2 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

Perkins and Black are obvious guys to remove from 40 man if they so choose to bring up a Fischer/Made.  Fischer is white hot now at a mlb weak position, and Made is the #1 prospect in baseball.  It's not crazy to try either up, not that I expect this.  The option is there to try it though and not be tied up trying to keep others on 40 man roster.

If both of those guys are next in line to get a shot with the club why are they in AA? Why haven't we moved them to AAA to further develop them against better competition while they wait their turn? 

[tmwiese55]

I looked at Jones's page and he has at least some IF experience here and there the last couple years. They might view him as a Util type that can fill in a pinch.   I didn't look at who else is on the 40 man as a more traditional IF utility guy.   Man where is Siegler when you need him

[JoeyWiemerTruther]

2 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

I agree that it's pretty unlikely, for all of the well-discussed ideas above.

I don't, however, agree with those that think it would be impossible that neither one could be a better offensive option in September than any player Fisher or Made could be traded for. Their ceilings make them difficult for a small-budget team to trade, for that reason. They're really legit prospects. It would be aggressive to promote them, of course, but those kinds of moves have been happening more often across the league with prospects of their caliber.

I’d say they’d have a chance at a call up if not for this possible lockout. You do not want them sitting on the 40 man roster unable to participate in minor league games next season if that’s the rules. Plus pre-free agency service time might get changed in the CBA from 6 years to 4 and if you start their clock without one of these extensions in place the Brewers could get totally screwed over with service time changes

[eklinka]

1 minute ago, cragi said:

While Fischer's K rate is an obvious concern, Hiura's best minor league season saw less HRs than Fischer today at the midpoint of the season

Realistically, does this team strike you as one that cares that much about HRs that they'd be willing to accept poor K%s and contact rates? I guarantee you Fischer will not see his OBP increase in MLB if you threw him into the fire right now. There's a much better chance of his whiff and K rate skyrocketing than his HR rate being remotely close to what it is right now in AA.

[baseball101]

16 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

Why not? Why put limits here? If Hamilton and Pratt get hurt, I think one is up. 

Look at what MLB pitching can do to Pratt who was a high contact guy in the minors. The stuff and location of MLB pitching is amazing. Fischer is just not ready IMO.

[liveforoctober]

1 minute ago, tmwiese55 said:

I looked at Jones's page and he has at least some IF experience here and there the last couple years. They might view him as a Util type that can fill in a pinch.   I didn't look at who else is on the 40 man as a more traditional IF utility guy.   Man where is Siegler when you need him

Tyler Black would be the other option I think.

[TURBO]

4 hours ago, TheeAirbender said:

This is very odd unless there is another move for an infielder? Either way I don’t see much Lara playing time? Hm

Bench Yelich indefinately, let Chourio, Mitchell, Frelick, and Lara share the 3 OF positions and do a rotating DH spot/day off between the 4.  Work Bauers into the mix and since there is no changing Murphy's mind about Vaughn's playing time, do what we are doing with him and Bauers.

Yeah, I have no clue.

[TURBO]

2 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Fischer is a talent for sure, but he's only got 16 games under his belt at the AA level. He's not ready yet.

buzzkill

:)

[TURBO]

1 hour ago, eklinka said:

It truly amazes me how people think players can just go from even high A to MLB and have the same success they had in the minors. Like a guy has 28 HRs between A+ & AA so that means he'll get 28 HRs in MLB as a plug n play. 😂

Does anyone REALLY think that though?

[cragi]

18 minutes ago, eklinka said:

Realistically, does this team strike you as one that cares that much about HRs that they'd be willing to accept poor K%s and contact rates? 

Yes actually, they do. Brewers crunched the moneyball numbers to realize the best value they could get for building was around defense and speed and thats how they built the club to get to the upper echelon offensively. However they can also see that the lack of pop has created a hurdle for beating ace pitchers in the playoffs.

One way they have addressed their limitations is by acquisition (Adames, Contreras, Hoskins, Vaughn, etc) 

Another in recent years is by being more aggressive with seeking out power bats earlier in the draft compared to the past (Mitchell, Bitonti, Fischer, Burke, even Payne)

[eklinka]

9 minutes ago, cragi said:

Yes actually, they do. Brewers crunched the moneyball numbers to realize the best value they could get for building was around defense and speed and thats how they built the club to get to the upper echelon offensively. However they can also see that the lack of pop has created a hurdle for beating ace pitchers in the playoffs.

One way they have addressed their limitations is by acquisition (Adames, Contreras, Hoskins, Vaughn, etc) 

Another in recent years is by being more aggressive with seeking out power bats earlier in the draft compared to the past (Mitchell, Bitonti, Fischer, Burke, even Payne)

Adames, Contreras, and even Hoskins dont have as poor a K% or Contact rate as Fischer does and that's against MLB pitching.... So no, they dont care about HRs enough to eat what will be even worse stats in MLB with Fischer.

[DonBarclay]

41 minutes ago, DonBarclay said:

My speculative guess: they think there’s a small chance Hamilton goes to the IL. If he does, they have no problem DFAing Jones if they need a mid to long term replacement. If it’s just through the all star break, they may just trust Joey and Pratt and have Vaughn and Frelick as emergency options before having to DFA Jones.  

So Hamilton to IL and Jones is up. Assuming it’s a minimum IL stay, I think they just roll with Jones until after the break? 

 

[eklinka]

18 minutes ago, TURBO said:

Does anyone REALLY think that though?

We saw people on the forums and X saying it all offseason lol if they dont think that, they certainly post it for whatever reason.

[AdvantageSchneider]

1 hour ago, markedman5 said:

They aren’t trading Mitchell and seriously doubt they will trade Sal in season.

Ps. Boy they really don’t want to add Jett to the 40 man yet……

 

Why would they, he's got a 732 OPS in AAA.  He's a below average hitter in AAA.  No reason to bring him up.

[formerlybis]

36 minutes ago, tmwiese55 said:

I looked at Jones's page and he has at least some IF experience here and there the last couple years. They might view him as a Util type that can fill in a pinch.   I didn't look at who else is on the 40 man as a more traditional IF utility guy.   Man where is Siegler when you need him

I know it's in blue, but Monasterio was also a good guy to have around in these situations...

There are no IF guys on the 40-man that aren't already here.

[liveforoctober]

His first call up wasn't anything to be excited about but for what it's worth Greg Jones has hit pretty decently since going back down to Nashville... .289/.423/.380/.803 on the season now down there.

[LouisEly]

5 minutes ago, formerlybis said:

There are no IF guys on the 40-man that aren't already here.

And therein lies the issue.

Also, if they plan on trading for any players before the deadline, they may need to open up spots on the 40-man.  Adding young prospects such as Williams means potentially having to DFA someone they don't want to.

If they add a starter, a reliever, and a SS/3B, that's potentially three other players that are going to need to be DFA'd.