BREAKING: Brewers Trade For Dustin May And JoJo Romero

[Joseph Zarr]

2 minutes ago, brooks_quichenick said:

Big Ragsdale fan here, but let's be real, "plug and play MLB ready" IS extremely hyperbolic for a guy who's played 26 games in AA. 

To you, perhaps. I'll stand by what I said and I really don't care about the disagreements. We shall see how his inevitable MLB innings take shape. 

[rccola42]

2 minutes ago, brooks_quichenick said:

Big Ragsdale fan here, but let's be real, "plug and play MLB ready" IS extremely hyperbolic for a guy who's played 26 games in AA. 

Correct and par for the course. Just like every person online who says that Andrew Fischer is ready to play in our lineup gets muted by me.

[dhoffman19]

1 hour ago, liveforoctober said:

https://brewerfanatic.com/ignore

Thank you.

[Joseph Zarr]

The hits keep coming.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Just now, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Don't kill the messenger, but Rojas, the prospect the Cubs just dealt for Holmes, is pretty universally thought of as a better prospect than either of the two OFers the Brewers gave up.   

Yet the post for that trade is *crickets*. Pretty well illustrates how many here want it both ways and simply thrive on complaining

With so few teams out of playoff contention, the price is unfortunately high in many cases

[dlk9s]

9 minutes ago, TURBO said:

This trade destroys any confidence I have in the Brewers front office.

The front office that has made this small market team into an MLB power. Ok.

[LouisEly]

35 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

No, Baseball America is not in the habit of ranking an 18-year-old in the top 100 because he's the "shiny new toy."

You and I both know that we can go back and look at a lot of top 100 prospect lists and find lots of players who ended up not belonging on them.  There are also guys who aren't on those lists who should have been.

But no GM looks at top 100 prospect lists and makes decisions based off of them.  The further away from the majors a player is, the more a GM discounts their value based on development risk.

[Outlander]

8 minutes ago, Frisbee Slider said:

Dustin May could be the best starting pitcher acquired at the deadline? The FIP…right?

I'll go with it, the Brewers are better than they were a couple of hours ago. Not going to worry about who they gave up, it is done.

[Bulldogboy]

This is why I never understand waiting until the last minute with these deals. The sense of desperation Arnold felt apparently led to this. Not super excited to lose these two guys. Finding out Romero is hurt just makes it worse. I do like May but not that much. It feels like execs are sick of hearing about Arnold and aren't interested in helping him kick the ass of there teams. 

[dlk9s]

 

[brewers888]

8 minutes ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

Weren't you one of the most vocal critics here when the Brewers had a quiet deadline last year?

I don't specifically remember either way but I am always against giving up big value for rentals and I think we gave up more than Deroit got for Skubal which isn't good.

[DonBarclay]

4 minutes ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

I don't like the price to get 'em but I think you're pretty dramatically underestimating the usefulness of both May and Romero

I certainly hope that you are correct. I really do. But the numbers say that May is not better than our top 4 starters. Maybe the Brewers staff have some tweaks in mind that changes that, but our top 4 starters have been damn good - it’s a high bar to clear. 

As for Romero - he’s medium leverage with Hall, Ashby, and Patrick. And he’s on the IL. I’m not sure that’s anything to write home about. 

[ImissDougMelvin]

Ironically most of you wanted no part of what it would have taken in "prospects" to get Skubal. Bet you all are re thinking that now, huh? 

[ImissDougMelvin]

 

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Keep seeing the poo-pooers using Romero's "injury" as ammunition. I know it's out there, but here's a reminder that he's on the DL for appendicitis. If anything the break could be useful to him down the stretch

[adambr2]

16 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Don't kill the messenger, but Rojas, the prospect the Cubs just dealt for Holmes, is pretty universally thought of as a better prospect than either of the two OFers the Brewers gave up.   

This reads like quantity doesn’t matter. We also gave up two assets versus one. Even if I like Rojas better than Frias, or Rojas better than Ragsdale, it doesn’t mean I like Rojas better than the combined assets of Frias and Ragsdale. 

[owbc]

Seems like I'm one of the few who actually likes this trade. It's obviously a lose-lose here right now because half this fanbase didn't want to give up any prospects of value and the other half wanted a blockbuster and are underwhelmed. 

We don't know the deal with Skubal yet, we need some leaks. Obviously it feels like we could have beaten the Tigers' package and I agree. I was surprised that he moved on Saturday. My guesstimate take is that the Tigers flubbed negotiations. 

May was one of my targets but I didn't think the Cards would trade him in the division. I would have taken Holmes also but I'm not surprised the Brewers went with the one who fits their profile. I don't think any controllable starters actually got traded so it's a moot point there, and even if Detmers was available I wouldn't have wanted him anyway. 

We also got our pen addition as well in the same trade.

I don't follow Brewers prospects that closely but it shouldn't be surprising to anyone that we would trade guys who are on hot streaks and rising through the rankings. This organization never does anything except sell high. I don't think it can be fully judged for a while but in the trade deadline thread on prospects, several posters had Ragsdale on the "sell" list. It seems like most wanted to keep Frias around. 
 

[titletownking]

1 minute ago, ImissDougMelvin said:

 

3.3 FIP, would be a nice addition to the pen. Team needs a bat in the worst way now

[owbc]

1 minute ago, ImissDougMelvin said:

 

Haha, I've been calling for us to get him for at least a month

[ChapelHeel66]

2 minutes ago, ToolShed55 said:

Frankly, this board does WAY MORE criticizing the front office than praising it. Which seems weird given how they've positioned the smallest market team in the league year after year. 

I think we are just criticizing a moment.  It doesn't meant the front office is bad -- that would be an absurd take, given the number of games MIL has won the last couple of years and the minor league talent it has built.  But even a good front office can misstep or not do enough in the big moments.

It is possible, of course, that a team very good at winning ballgames, the division, and even a playoff series, will not do enough with the roster to win a World Series.  MIL cannot become a prisoner of its own small market teambuilding, patting itself on the back for doing more with less.  There's no getting around that the real trophy requires much more aggressive moves than we have seen.  The team is not close enough to take baby steps when there is a window.

The Cubs just gave up their #1 prospect for Clay Holmes AND a major league outfielder with an OPS near .800.  Their #1 prospect is effectively ranked the same as Alexander Frias, who we used (along with another prospect) to get a worse starting pitcher and an injured, underperforming reliever.  That's worth noting, even while recognizing that MIL's front office is excellent overall.

[narwhalattack]

2 minutes ago, ImissDougMelvin said:

 

Can’t wait for us to send Peña to get this guy.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

1 minute ago, adambr2 said:

This reads like quantity doesn’t matter. We also gave up two assets versus one. Even if I like Rojas better than Frias, or Rojas better than Ragsdale, it doesn’t mean I like Frias better than the combined assets of Frias and Ragsdale. 

The Brewers also got a very good late-inning reliever in Romero.

[Joseph Zarr]

This is the last I'll say on this trade - as I said, I like both players we received in return. I really think they can solidify a team strength. Hopefully, they stay healthy. The cost is just too steep to make the deal from my vantage point and It is universally seen as a steep price and an overpay by anyone I trust in the twitterverse and, to me, this overpay is made worse because you gift it in division. That's the end of my sentiments. In the end, I'll simply hope all players involved excel and May and Romero pitch key post-season innings.

One has to think the Brewers know and lean on they have Strosnider and Jones incoming, they love Adamczewski (who doesn't?), Payne is ascending and premium Capital invested, and Antunez is showing real promise in limited Low-A exposure. We also know, the Brewers have shown they can go out and grab these types of players across multiple acquisition formats and they trust they will do it again.

And, all this reasoning aside: it was still a steep price to pay and a steeper price than most teams have paid for other players.

[adambr2]

Just now, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

The Brewers also got a very good late-inning reliever in Romero.

Yes. And the Cubs got Tyrone Taylor, so I considered that part of the deal a wash on both sides. 

[brewers888]

As that woman said years ago in that Wendy's commercial "where's the beef" because this team needs a power bat way more than any rental pitching but if watching Yelich ground out to second in October excites you we have that to look forward to.