Orioles Acquire Corbin Burnes for INF Joey Ortiz, LHP DL Hall and 2024 Competitive Balance Pick

[BallFour]

1 minute ago, LouisEly said:

And Jordan Westburg and Jackson Holliday.

What an embarrassment of riches they have at the moment. 

[TURBO]

Title of this thread needs to be changed...

[Matt Breen]

1 minute ago, TURBO said:

Title of this thread needs to be changed...

Thanks for mentioning. I took care of.

[Matt Breen]

3 minutes ago, BallFour said:

What an embarrassment of riches they have at the moment. 

Yeah, Baltimore is loaded. That's what years of awful play potentially gets you. Everything comes together like they have for them. 

[GAME05]

I suspect this longer time to do something is because everyone wanted to try and extend him before trading for him.

Probably could have gotten about the same return mid-season, but with the expanded playoffs you gotta really stink to be out of contention, and we'd have a fan revolt if we were within a couple games and he leaves. If you're gonna trade him at all it has to be now for the best you can get. Seems like a fair return to me for someone pretty certain to be a one-year rental. The short list of teams who can afford Burnes next year probably doesn't include Baltimore.

Not many ++ shortstops out there and now we have trade-or-no-trade flexibility with Adames. 

[GAME05]

1 minute ago, reillymcshane said:

Yeah, Baltimore is loaded. That's what years of awful play potentially gets you. Everything comes together like they have for them. 

The best strategy if you're not rich. Meanwhile the Brewers begin a long stretch like the Herb Kohl-era Bucks--don't be really bad because it costs too much money but you won't have the gas to be really good, either. Just try to get that last spot in the playoffs every year.

[BrewerFan]

13 minutes ago, GAME05 said:

If he ends up being good it's not like we could afford the giant extension, but in the years we do have him he'll probably be closer to his prime. His age is a plus to me.

It may make him more inclined to sign an extension...guaranteeing him a big chunk of cash. But that's pretty premature. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

So now after this trade do the Brewers turn around and sign Soler to dh with the burnes' salary savings?  Or potentially sign a veteran fa starter with that $ to fill out the rotation?  Feels like more moves are going to spin off from this one...particularly with pitching.

 

I'm not thrilled with the return but if you look at the fact burnes has only gotten worse (not bad, just not insanely great) as a pitcher since he won a Cy Young 3 seasons ago, I don't know if the return was going to be crazy exciting given the fact the huge market teams will just buy burnes in free agency next offseason and hoard their impact prospects.  When you look at the amount of mlb control the brewers picked up with these two players plus what amounts to a sandwich draft pick, this trade makes sense. 

 

[liveforoctober]

4 minutes ago, GAME05 said:

The best strategy if you're not rich. Meanwhile the Brewers begin a long stretch like the Herb Kohl-era Bucks--don't be really bad because it costs too much money but you won't have the gas to be really good, either. Just try to get that last spot in the playoffs every year.

I mean ... kind of. We have had a couple of teams in recent memory that were more than good enough to go the distance.

[IntentionalHBP1]

5 minutes ago, GAME05 said:

The best strategy if you're not rich. Meanwhile the Brewers begin a long stretch like the Herb Kohl-era Bucks--don't be really bad because it costs too much money but you won't have the gas to be really good, either. Just try to get that last spot in the playoffs every year.

Sneaking into the NBA playoffs is an early exit every time, MLB you have a much better chance at winning it all. 

[BallFour]

11 minutes ago, GAME05 said:

The best strategy if you're not rich. Meanwhile the Brewers begin a long stretch like the Herb Kohl-era Bucks--don't be really bad because it costs too much money but you won't have the gas to be really good, either. Just try to get that last spot in the playoffs every year.

With the draft lottery in full effect that strategy is severely hampered. Don't get me wrong the Orioles have done a great job outside of drafting Adley Rutschmann and Jackson Holliday. In fact if the new rules were in effect they would have been kicked out of the lottery the year they selected Holliday. The days of the Cubs, Astros, and Orioles tanking for an extended period of time will be hard to pull off going forward.

[RobertCrawley]

58 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Don't think I ever saw ONE person say if they don't trade Burnes it's an "embarrassment." In fact, I think most people said hold until a team meets your asking price.

And THEN they went out and got one of the top hitters on the market. A player the Giants, among other teams, were trying to sign. They shored up their lineup! And then it looked as though they would comp...-and they traded Burnes for a very underwhelming position.

 

Also...can we please not act like there was just ONE opinion on trading Burnes like the fanbase is monolithic? Not everyone blindly defends them and not everyone begs for a player to be signed and then complains they didn't pay more and sign him for more years. There's a happy medium. And not liking a trade doesn't mean you had "unrealistic" expectations. 

Well said.

[monty57]

I thought the Brewers should trade Burnes. I hoped for a MLB-ready starter, thinking Harrison or Tiedemann, who were a bit higher-ranked than Hall. But, they got a Top 60 infielder as well, so I think it’s a good return. 
 

The guy on the MLBtv clip said the Brewers view Hall as a starter. I think they’ve earned some leeway in that regard with their recent track-record. He’s been a top ranked prospect for a while. Let’s hope he can live up to the billing. 
 

The Brewers should get a lot more WAR value out of the guys they got than they would’ve received from one year of Burnes. This does seem to open the door wider for an Adames trade, and I hope they can sign another starter. 
 

I’m excited to see what all the talented young guys can do this year. Should be exciting baseball. 

[RobertCrawley]

57 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Amazing to me how many people thought we were just going to get a king's ransom for one year of Burnes. That ship sailed a year or two ago. 

I wasn't looking for a king's ransom, but more than this.

[HarveysWBs]

Were I the brewers, I’d aim to keep Williams at least until the deadline (only trading if we were out of it), go for major depth in the rotation, and just aim to be a better version of 2018. A team with stellar defense and relief, no holes in the lineup (assuming Chourio doesn’t face plant and we now have ample alternatives to Turang), and enough decent starters to handle inevitable attrition from the most glass-bodied position in sports is a formula that can go places—and on a budget, to boot. Probably the best we can hope for in 2024, anyway.

[LouisEly]

In case some are forgetting, here's what MLB had to say on Hall after the 2022 season:

At full strength in 2022 after a rebuilding program and the organization erring more on the side of caution with holding him out for so long a year ago, Hall’s stuff has continued to be absolutely nasty, with a fastball routinely up to 101 mph and a fading changeup that flashes plus.

[StearnsFTW]

17 minutes ago, GAME05 said:

The best strategy if you're not rich. Meanwhile the Brewers begin a long stretch like the Herb Kohl-era Bucks--don't be really bad because it costs too much money but you won't have the gas to be really good, either. Just try to get that last spot in the playoffs every year.

I'm fine with this strategy in baseball.  

 

It makes zero sense in basketball.

[82brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

In case some are forgetting, here's what MLB had to say on Hall after the 2022 season:

At full strength in 2022 after a rebuilding program and the organization erring more on the side of caution with holding him out for so long a year ago, Hall’s stuff has continued to be absolutely nasty, with a fastball routinely up to 101 mph and a fading changeup that flashes plus.

Right, but can he throw strikes.

[BrewerFan]

18 minutes ago, GAME05 said:

The best strategy if you're not rich. Meanwhile the Brewers begin a long stretch like the Herb Kohl-era Bucks--don't be really bad because it costs too much money but you won't have the gas to be really good, either. Just try to get that last spot in the playoffs every year.

Dude...the O's have the #1 system in the minors. We've got the #2. 

I think it MIGHT be a tad premature to say we're entering a period of futility...where we're a team picking top 7-8 some years and others just making the playoffs.

Don't love this AFTER signing Hoskins, but certainly doesn't mean the future is any less bright. 

[valpocrewsader]

Don't know anything about their 2023 seasons, but these bits from preseason last year sound interesting to me...

5. DL Hall, LHP, 24, MLB
Called up to Baltimore at the beginning of September, the career starter got his feet wet with 11 appearances out of the bullpen in 2022. At a quick glance, his debut looks like it may have been a little rough, but that is misleading. Hall gave up 0 or 1 run in 9 of his 11 appearances, only walking 2 and striking out 13 over those 9 innings. He will be given a chance to start this year, but at this point his floor is a high leverage Josh Hader-type lefty out of the pen and that’s not a bad place to be.

13. Joey Ortiz, 2B/SS, 24, Triple-A
While I won’t go as far as to say, “defense first,” Ortiz was so highly regarded because of his defensive work in college. He also did lead the nation in hits and runs as a Junior at New Mexico State. Ortiz has erased any questions that may have existed when it comes to his bat. Starting 2022 in Double-A, before finishing the year in Triple-A, all Ortiz did was accumulate 60 extra base hits while slashing .284/.349/.477 and only striking out 16% of the time.

https://www.prospects1500.com/top-50-lists/baltimore-orioles-top-50-prospects-2023/

[Fear The Chorizo]

So at this snapshot in time, it feels like the Brewers are markedly upgraded offensively than they were at the start of last season, but significantly diminished in the starting pitching department without Burnes or Woodruff in their rotation.  I might be reading the tea leaves wrong, but it feels like there's going to be something else significant coming for the Brewers.  With how this offseason has slogged along across most of MLB, there are plenty of other potential starters to either add in free agency that would help this staff, or via trade (sudden surplus of young OFs and Adames/young IFs) - The AL Central is an interesting spot to start looking for a young impact starter with similar or even 1 extra year of control to replace Burnes with, in particular (Cease, Bieber).

[markedman5]

 

[wallus]

4 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

So at this snapshot in time, it feels like the Brewers are markedly upgraded offensively than they were at the start of last season, but significantly diminished in the starting pitching department without Burnes or Woodruff in their rotation.  I might be reading the tea leaves wrong, but it feels like there's going to be something else significant coming for the Brewers.  With how this offseason has slogged along across most of MLB, there are plenty of other potential starters to either add in free agency that would help this staff, or via trade (sudden surplus of young OFs and Adames/young IFs) - The AL Central is an interesting spot to start looking for a young impact starter with similar or even 1 extra year of control to replace Burnes with, in particular (Cease, Bieber).

Trade Willy and then take that 28 million to sign a couple of free agents, that would be getting nuts

[Team Canada]

Pitching and defense didn't work? Let's sign Soler and just try to hit our way to the playoffs.

[Joseph Zarr]