Brewers Trade Aaron Civale To White Sox For Andrew Vaughn

[Outlander]

I assume you are talking about just in season trade, it's going way back to the '82 team but Don Sutton was traded for in late August and he won the last game of the year against Baltimore to win the division and won the game against the Angels when they were down 0-2 and facing elimination.

[Jim French Stepstool]

2 hours ago, Playing Catch said:

I don't think the impending roster crunch will have as much drama attached to it as we think on August 7th. They can option Monasterio, Siegler, and/or Lockridge. Even Durbin and Collins have options. In addition, on August 7th many of us wouldn't blink if they DFA'd Hoskins and Bauers (although I don't like the idea of Hoskins catching on somewhere in the National League and hurting the Brewers later). Tyler Black can backfill the Bauers bench-AAA-shuttle role decently enough.

I think their playoff roster could feature Hoskins on the bench in place of either Monasterio or Seigler. I think it kind of depends on if the Brewers think Siegler can play shortstop near Monasterio-levels.

As much as people rag on Seigler getting playing time, I think the Brewers want a lefty on the bench. For myself, I'd rather have him on the 26-man roster instead of Bauers or Black, who are so compromised by their inability to play 3rd.

Seigler has never played SS as a professional. After not picking up anyone at the deadline that can play on the left side of the INF that pretty much cements Monasterios' roster spot.

As @Cool Hand Lucroypointed out, the two added roster spots on 9/1 alleviate any desperation re Hoskins' return since the company line has pretty much pushed his return back to around that date anyway. As to his role, I agree with @markedman5. Yelichs' role stays pretty much the same---DH & keep your glove handy for an occasional appearance in LF (although once Chourio is added his OF stints might start to dry up totally). Hoskins would be available when needed to hit for someone in the bottom 2 or 3 spots in the order and DH vs a particularly tough LHP.

[LouisEly]

1 hour ago, dlk9s said:

It is absolutely not the right move. There is more to managing a team than squeezing out every OBP point. Can you imagine the reaction in the clubhouse if Yelich was demoted to a platoon? He's the leader of the team and is having a good season. Suddenly platooning him would hit the clubhouse 10x worse than trading Hader did.

But what they could do is have Yelich play LF more often to get Hoskins in the lineup.  We don't want Yelich playing the OF every day, but it was clear last night that Frelick is not 100% yet.  Giving Yelich more games in LF and moving Collins to RF to give Frelick more rest is something that could easily and realistically happen.

[SRB]

Whoa Solvdd: Vaughn has 11.0 career innings at 2B.

[adambr2]

1 hour ago, dlk9s said:

It is absolutely not the right move. There is more to managing a team than squeezing out every OBP point. Can you imagine the reaction in the clubhouse if Yelich was demoted to a platoon? He's the leader of the team and is having a good season. Suddenly platooning him would hit the clubhouse 10x worse than trading Hader did.

It doesn’t have to be a hard platoon. As the LH bat in the platoon, he’s already going to default to starting 72% of the time. Of the remaining 28% you could sit him half and play him in the OF half the time, which averages out to about a start a week in left and a day off every week, which isn’t that big of a deal and could probably be beneficial.

Also I guess I just don’t really understand the logic that Hoskins is going to be understanding about being benched entirely but asking Yelich to sit a small percentage of the time against LHP starters is going to be this enormous clubhouse distraction.

Hoskins is a veteran who is playing for another contract. He’s going to want to play. And obviously Yelich does too, but I think he realizes that there’s a lot of guys on the team that deserve to play and any decision made isn’t going to be easy. 

[wallus]

Yelich will play a little more LF, not too difficult 

[adambr2]

27 minutes ago, wallus said:

Yelich will play a little more LF, not too difficult 

It seems easy enough, but Chourio should return around the same time as Rhys. None of Collins, Chourio or Frelick should be sitting much.

[MVP2110]

They will certainly have decisions to make vs LHP. Jansen should probably be starting any time a lefty is on the mound as well. He crushes them

[OldHeidelberg]

3 hours ago, adambr2 said:

Also I guess I just don’t really understand the logic that Hoskins is going to be understanding about being benched entirely but asking Yelich to sit a small percentage of the time against LHP starters is going to be this enormous clubhouse distraction.

Hoskins is a veteran who is playing for another contract. He’s going to want to play. And obviously Yelich does too, but I think he realizes that there’s a lot of guys on the team that deserve to play and any decision made isn’t going to be easy. 

Just speaking for myself I could care less if Hoskins is understanding or not. He has put up 0.8 bwar while we are paying him like 32 million the last 2 seasons. And after a good start he was slumping again before going on IL if I am remembering right. Yelich was just as hot as Vaughn is now for a month or so just a few weeks back. Hoskins isn't taking any playing time away from Yelich,    

[adambr2]

41 minutes ago, OldHeidelberg said:

Just speaking for myself I could care less if Hoskins is understanding or not. He has put up 0.8 bwar while we are paying him like 32 million the last 2 seasons. And after a good start he was slumping again before going on IL if I am remembering right. Yelich was just as hot as Vaughn is now for a month or so just a few weeks back. Hoskins isn't taking any playing time away from Yelich,    

I’m no big fan of Hoskins, and I agree whatever is best for the team should be done. 

With that said, if you evaluate them both as DH’s — bat only, it is very hard to say that when a left handed pitcher is on the mound, Yelich is a better option than Rhys.

[OldHeidelberg]

45 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

I’m no big fan of Hoskins, and I agree whatever is best for the team should be done. 

With that said, if you evaluate them both as DH’s — bat only, it is very hard to say that when a left handed pitcher is on the mound, Yelich is a better option than Rhys.

Ideally, you want the DH to be a platoon position but like you said in above post with a healthy OF we don't want to sit those guys either so Yeli becomes the full time DH. I don't think you ever want to sit your best hitters much, they need AB's, and Yelich does have a career .758 OPS against LH. He has been not so great this year but last season hit them well. Besides, things are going great! 🙂    

[liveforoctober]

All of this said, the Brewers have won at like an 80% clip (any chance someone could actually look this stat up for me? I won't be able to for a while yet. ) since Rhys left the team so he does not have too much footing to stand on if he throws a tantrum over playing time when he returns.

[sveumrules]

7 minutes ago, liveforoctober said:

All of this said, the Brewers have won at like an 80% clip (any chance someone could actually look this stat up for me? I won't be able to for a while yet. ) since Rhys left the team so he does not have too much footing to stand on if he throws a tantrum over playing time when he returns.

Yeah, Rhys last game was July 5th and the Brewers are 21 W - 4 L (.840 W%) since July 6th.

[wallus]

5 hours ago, adambr2 said:

It seems easy enough, but Chourio should return around the same time as Rhys. None of Collins, Chourio or Frelick should be sitting much.

Yes but Hoskins wasn't playing every day before he got hurt and Yelich shouldn't be either. I would stop having Contreras DH. It shouldn't be a problem 

[liveforoctober]

21 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Yeah, Rhys last game was July 5th and the Brewers are 21 W - 4 L (.840 W%) since July 6th.

Jiminy Crickets. 

Andrew Vaughn is going to get some MVP votes, isn't he?

[wiguy94]

5 minutes ago, liveforoctober said:

Jiminy Crickets. 

Andrew Vaughn is going to get some MVP votes, isn't he?

If Andrew Vaughn somehow keeps up his pace for the rest of the season, I definitely think he gets a few down ballot MVP votes even with just 300 PA. Especially so if the Brewers finish as the 1 seed in the NL

[adambr2]

25 minutes ago, wallus said:

Yes but Hoskins wasn't playing every day before he got hurt and Yelich shouldn't be either. I would stop having Contreras DH. It shouldn't be a problem 

It honestly probably won’t be a problem at all.

It’s not like it’s a bad thing if Collins, Yelich, Chourio, Turang, Vaughn, Contreras, and Frelick all get one day off a week or so down the stretch. Durbin is already getting more days off than that.

So they’ll sprinkle in Perkins, Jansen, and Hoskins when the other guys need a break. 

Monasterio, Seigler, and Lockridge probably take the biggest hits if everybody is fully healthy but that’s fine. They are bench players. And that’s just if everyone is fully healthy. 

[markedman5]

Dom just finished talking about the lineup situations when Hoskins returns in the radio……doesn’t sound like it will be anytime soon……he hasn’t started swinging a bat yet.

He thought at best late August …..Early September.

he said when Hoskins comes back he will be an off the bench bat to hit for guys like Joey or Siegler in certain situations……maybe an occasional start.

i don’t think this will be an issue at all…….

[BrewerFan]

On 7/30/2025 at 8:05 AM, CheezWizHed said:

Oddly, this is the Vaughn that still comes into my head when I hear Andrew being called to that plate...and not Greg. 

I have to admit that I'm tempering my long term hopes on what Vaughn can become.   This trade has been amazing, but I keep hoping he doesn't turn into a pumpkin at some point.

I said this for the last month. 'Great, Vaughn's up... rally's over.' And then he gets an RBI double with 2 strikes or he hits a 3-run bomb. 

 

Some players, being on good teams keeps them more dialed in vs being on historically bad team last year... now a just awful team. I'd imagine it's an entirely different approach. That could explain some of the improvement in swing choices. 

Maybe he just figured it out later. Maybe we just happened to get him when he was on a Geoff Jenkins like burner. The upshot is, Hoskins should be back and next year... hopefully Wilkens, Adams will be healthy to provide some depth. 

If Vaughn can keep up his plate discipline, that's better than anyone we could have added. 

[Playing Catch]

18 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Seigler has never played SS as a professional.

So, he hasn't! I could've sworn he played some mop-up there for a few innings-worth when they first brought him up. I guess I don't like his versatility as much as I have been imagining.

[homer]

Fangraphs digs into a resurgent Andrew Vaughn's numbers:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/an-investigation-into-the-dinger-filled-rampage-of-a-reborn-andrew-vaughn/

[tmwiese55]

I think we've had this type of PT issue conversation countless times the last few years.  Generally, it continues to work itself over and over due to someone else getting hurt/injured. This talk just happened regarding OFs here in the last month or so as mitchell/perkins were coming back, then Chourio and frelick both get hurt and now we're playing a guy we never heard of from San Diego.

Sure, yes if every player is healthy this discussion will happen. But chances are, at some point in the next 4-5 weeks someone else will get hurt.

[cragi]

2 hours ago, homer said:

Fangraphs digs into a resurgent Andrew Vaughn's numbers:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/an-investigation-into-the-dinger-filled-rampage-of-a-reborn-andrew-vaughn/

I wonder when the last time a player had that dramatic of a shift, going from literally, the dead last worst hitter in baseball to one of the very best in the same season

[Brian]

14 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

If Andrew Vaughn somehow keeps up his pace for the rest of the season, I definitely think he gets a few down ballot MVP votes even with just 300 PA. Especially so if the Brewers finish as the 1 seed in the NL

And as of today Eugenio Suarez hitting .107 since trade to Mariners. 

[Frisbee Slider]

5 minutes ago, cragi said:

I wonder when the last time a player had that dramatic of a shift, going from literally, the dead last worst hitter in baseball to one of the very best in the same season

Seems like something Geoff Jenkins could have done 🙂