2022 Trade Market

[Jopal78]

2 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

This is incorrect. Moose played 3B after the Brewers traded for him. Shaw made the switch to 2nd. It wasn't until the next year that Moose played 2B for the Brewers.

Ok, they moved a different player to a position he never played before. (and Schoop played SS a position he hasn’t appeared at since) It’s the same point: teams will find ways to get strong hitters in the lineup regardless of position. 
 

And that, is the counter argument that all these hitters are just going to bring some other teams organizational soldiers due to lack of demand. It’s not true, they might not bring back potential impact players who are close to major league ready; because nobody does that anymore. However, A-ball players who grow up to be All-Stars get traded all the time now

[KeithStone53151]

I just took a cruise through the bad NL teams and found a fair amount of hitters that will likely be traded at the deadline to contending teams for varying prices. 

Ben Gamel, Tommy Pham, Brandon Drury, Tyler Naquin, David Peralta, Nelson Cruz, Josh Bell, Jose Iglesias, Wilsson Contreras, maybe Ian Happ, maybe Charlie Blackmon, maybe CJ Cron, maybe Jordan Luplow, maybe Christian Walker, maybe Bryan Reynolds, maybe Colin Moran.

That's just from a handful of NL teams that are definitely not trying to compete. And there's always a chance of bigger moves for guys with multiple years of team control like a Juan Soto or Ketel Marte. There's a fair amount of good players to get split among the good teams. Also good teams with a surplus may trade an extra outfielder or something to add to a position of weakness elsewhere. Point being, I don't see the Brewers having any issue adding at the deadline and I don't expect cost to be prohibitively expensive.

[nate82]

The Mets are rumored to only being interested in taking on financial players and are not willing to trade any of their top prospects.  The Yankees are also unwilling to part with their top prospects and opposite of the Mets are looking to take on cheaper players.  Gallo still is someone the Yankees want to trade away in any deal that they would be taking in significant payroll.  

I think we can cross the Yankees off for Bell as I don't see the Nationals willing to take on Gallo in return for Bell.  The Mets are probably off the list also as I don't see them in need for a DH/1B type the same with the Red Sox.  

I just don't see a bidding war coming for players like Bell, Cruz and Mancini.  It is just not lining up for that and if there will be a bidding war it will only be for a teams 10-15 prospect instead of the 15-20 range prospect.  I just don't see this sellers market that some claim there to be.  I don't believe teams are going to be bidding on all of these players who are very similar in skill set.  

Last year Schwarber who is very similar to Bell only brought back Aldo Ramirez from the Red Sox and was only ranked in the 15-20 range.  I just don't see Bell bringing back much more than a teams 15-20th ranked prospect even with the expanded playoffs.

[JohnBriggs12]

I think Ben Gamel makes a lot of sense as an OF depth piece.  He's a better OF defender than Peterson.

A really under the radar move would be to pick up Jeimer Candelario from Detroit.   He's had a terrible first half but he's one year removed from a season where he had a 119 OPS+ and led the AL with 42 doubles.  He's controllable through 2023 too.  Playing half his games in Am Fam might ignite his bat.

 

[LincolnDD]

1 hour ago, nate82 said:

I think we can cross the Yankees off for Bell as I don't see the Nationals willing to take on Gallo in return for Bell.  The Mets are probably off the list also as I don't see them in need for a DH/1B type the same with the Red Sox.  

I just don't see a bidding war coming for players like Bell, Cruz and Mancini.  It is just not lining up for that and if there will be a bidding war it will only be for a teams 10-15 prospect instead of the 15-20 range prospect.  I just don't see this sellers market that some claim there to be.  I don't believe teams are going to be bidding on all of these players who are very similar in skill set.  

Last year Schwarber who is very similar to Bell only brought back Aldo Ramirez from the Red Sox and was only ranked in the 15-20 range.  I just don't see Bell bringing back much more than a teams 15-20th ranked prospect even with the expanded playoffs.

I've seen the Mets linked to Mancini (and Cruz), as they're getting little production from DH.  The Red Sox are getting little production from first.  I think both of those teams will be in on these guys.  I'd also throw the Padres in there; they probably prefer an outfielder, but really just need any offense they can get.  I'm not sure this makes for any major bidding wars, but I think the 1B/DH market will be fairly active.

[brewerfan82]

2 hours ago, nate82 said:

Gallo still is someone the Yankees want to trade away in any deal that they would be taking in significant payroll.

Just to clarify, it sounds like while the Yankees would like to shed Gallo's salary to take on additional salary elsewhere, I don't think that needs to be a direct swap. The following tidbits were on MLBTradeRumors yesterday:

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The Yankees and Royals have recently held talks around a trade that would send outfielder Andrew Benintendi to the Bronx, according to a report from Jon Heyman and Dan Martin of the New York Post. They add that the Yanks are simultaneously trying to work out a separate trade that would send outfielder Joey Gallo out of town.

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Salary wise, swapping in Benintendi for Gallo wouldn’t make a huge difference for the Yanks. Both players are impending free agents, with Benintendi making $8.5MM and Gallo $10.275MM. Jason Martinez of Roster Resource calculates the Yankees’ CBT number to be $262MM at the moment, placing them beyond the $250MM second threshold but shy of the $270MM third threshold.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/07/yankees-royals-have-discussed-andrew-benintendi-trade.html

[AKCheesehead]

I highly doubt it would happen, but I wonder if Stearns has checked in with KC on Greinke.  Zack hasn't been having a particularly good season by his standards, but he's pretty good since coming off the IL aside from one clunker a week or so ago.  Aside from pro rated $13mil, I don't know what he'd cost or if it would be worth it.  But he would shore up the back end of the rotation, and just kind of be entertaining to have back.  If this is his last season it'd be nice to see him end it on a contender, too.

[Robocaller]

3 hours ago, AKCheesehead said:

I highly doubt it would happen, but I wonder if Stearns has checked in with KC on Greinke.  Zack hasn't been having a particularly good season by his standards, but he's pretty good since coming off the IL aside from one clunker a week or so ago.  Aside from pro rated $13mil, I don't know what he'd cost or if it would be worth it.  But he would shore up the back end of the rotation, and just kind of be entertaining to have back.  If this is his last season it'd be nice to see him end it on a contender, too.

I wouldn't mind having him, but he has nothing left in the tank. He's only striking out 4.8/9 this season. I'm guessing they could get better than him for the salary he's earning.

[Jopal78]

6 hours ago, Robocaller said:

I wouldn't mind having him, but he has nothing left in the tank. He's only striking out 4.8/9 this season. I'm guessing they could get better than him for the salary he's earning.

I’m sure the Royals will trade Greinke. and the Brewers along with many others should be interested.

As a short term rental, Greinke is certainly better than Alexander, and Houser.  He probably is more consistent, while less dominant, than Lauer or Ashby. But most importantly, Greinke is still a quality veteran who knows how to pitch and can decrease the need to rely on pitchers like Chi Chi and Gustave to get outs.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

38 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

As a short term rental, Greinke is certainly better than Alexander, and Houser.  

Adrian Houser obviously hasn't been great this year, but he is coming off a year where he went 10-6 with a 3.22 ERA. Even with his down year, his numbers are very similar to Greinke's, and he's 9 years younger. Why in the world is Houser being thrown in with a AAAA retread like Alexander, let alone being viewed as someone who can be replaced via "serious upgrade" in Greinke? Greinke has had a great career, but he's 38 and is pretty much toast. 

[Jopal78]

2 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Adrian Houser obviously hasn't been great this year, but he is coming off a year where he went 10-6 with a 3.22 ERA. Even with his down year, his numbers are very similar to Greinke's, and he's 9 years younger. Why in the world is Houser being thrown in with a AAAA retread like Alexander, let alone being viewed as someone who can be replaced via "serious upgrade" in Greinke? Greinke has had a great career, but he's 38 and is pretty much toast. 

Come on. First of all  it doesn't matter what Houser did last year, he has a -0.6 WAR this year, a 4.72 ERA, a WHIP of nearly 1.50, and in one third of his starts he failed to make it five innings. In other words, he hasn't been good this season.

More importantly, two weeks ago Houser suffered a significant elbow injury which likely puts him out of action until September (Flexor tendon strains are usually a 6-8 week recovery and rehabilitation).  It's kind of foolish to count on him to produce much more than 5 or 6 starts the rest of the way, not to mention the fact he'd likely be on a shortened pitch count for the first couple starts as well. 

Funny thing though, about Greinke being "toast." He has allowed the same number of hits per 9 as Houser this year (9.8 : 9.7) but his walks per 9 are twice as few as Houser (1.7 : 3.7). Importantly, Greinke has gone less than 5 innings in 1 of his 14 starts this year.

Succinctly stated, Greinke has allowed fewer baserunners per 9, and gets through the 5th inning more consistently than Adrian Houser. Now couple in the fact Houser is down with an elbow injury until at least late August/September, it's pretty obvious Greinke would be an upgrade to the pitching staff.  

[Robocaller]

6 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

I’m sure the Royals will trade Greinke. and the Brewers along with many others should be interested.

As a short term rental, Greinke is certainly better than Alexander, and Houser.  He probably is more consistent, while less dominant, than Lauer or Ashby. But most importantly, Greinke is still a quality veteran who knows how to pitch and can decrease the need to rely on pitchers like Chi Chi and Gustave to get outs.

the decision isn't between Greinke and Chi-chi, it's between them and any starting pitcher they could obtain for a reasonable price.

[jay87shot]

How about Ian Happ, he isn't a great CF but he is OK and can play everywhere. He has never been my favorite player in the world but he does have a year of arby left. He probably wouldn't cost a ransom and I doubt the Cubs will care much about in division trading because they are so far away from being competitive.

Trade Garrett Mitchell for Happ and Mychal Givens. Could probably be something like Joe Gray and Russell Smith if Cubs prefer that.

Trade Kolten Wong to CWS for Aaron Bummer

Severino for AAA OF depth.

We improve pen depth and fix the OF. Some mix of Peterson, Brosseau, Huira, and Happ would probably improve 2B (or move Urias to 2B and they improve 3B). Happ probably hits in the top 5 and lengthens out lineup.

[nate82]

14 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

How about Ian Happ, he isn't a great CF but he is OK and can play everywhere. He has never been my favorite player in the world but he does have a year of arby left. He probably wouldn't cost a ransom and I doubt the Cubs will care much about in division trading because they are so far away from being competitive.

Trade Garrett Mitchell for Happ and Mychal Givens. Could probably be something like Joe Gray and Russell Smith if Cubs prefer that.

Trade Kolten Wong to CWS for Aaron Bummer

Severino for AAA OF depth.

We improve pen depth and fix the OF. Some mix of Peterson, Brosseau, Huira, and Happ would probably improve 2B (or move Urias to 2B and they improve 3B). Happ probably hits in the top 5 and lengthens out lineup.

The Brewers tried to trade for Bryant last year and were turned down by the Cubs.  Happ has another year of service time left I think.  I don't see the Cubs trading Happ to the Brewers though he would be a good bat to get.

[Brewcrew82]

So, the Orioles may no longer be selling...

[Jim French Stepstool]

2 hours ago, jay87shot said:

 

Trade Garrett Mitchell for Happ and Mychal Givens. 

If there's anything that would cause Mitchell to shake off the health issues & start hitting again like he did in A-ball, this would probably be it.

[Jopal78]

8 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

So, the Orioles may no longer be selling...

Kind of looks that way right now with them being in the hunt for a wild card. Although a lot can happen in 19 days.

[Outlander]

Kind of reminds me of the Orioles a few years back where it looked like they were kind of competing, made some moves and started to lose again. I'm happy for their fans that they have something to cheer for but may not be so good for them in the long run.

[Roderick]

20 hours ago, Robocaller said:

the decision isn't between Greinke and Chi-chi, it's between them and any starting pitcher they could obtain for a reasonable price.

I assume it isn't going to cost too much to acquire Greinke in prospects as he will still be owed approx $5M when he is traded.  And we know the Royals have to trade him. 

He is better than what we currently have pitching, but as good as other bottom of the rotation starters that will be available in trade? 

Just have to compare price in prospects to price in dollars.  I assume with the budget already stretched, Greinke isn't even an option unless KC eats some of his salary (which means better prospect).

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

On 7/12/2022 at 10:53 AM, Jopal78 said:

Come on. First of all  it doesn't matter what Houser did last year, he has a -0.6 WAR this year, a 4.72 ERA, a WHIP of nearly 1.50, and in one third of his starts he failed to make it five innings. In other words, he hasn't been good this season.

More importantly, two weeks ago Houser suffered a significant elbow injury which likely puts him out of action until September (Flexor tendon strains are usually a 6-8 week recovery and rehabilitation).  It's kind of foolish to count on him to produce much more than 5 or 6 starts the rest of the way, not to mention the fact he'd likely be on a shortened pitch count for the first couple starts as well. 

Funny thing though, about Greinke being "toast." He has allowed the same number of hits per 9 as Houser this year (9.8 : 9.7) but his walks per 9 are twice as few as Houser (1.7 : 3.7). Importantly, Greinke has gone less than 5 innings in 1 of his 14 starts this year.

Succinctly stated, Greinke has allowed fewer baserunners per 9, and gets through the 5th inning more consistently than Adrian Houser. Now couple in the fact Houser is down with an elbow injury until at least late August/September, it's pretty obvious Greinke would be an upgrade to the pitching staff.  

Houser played catch today. Hopefully he's back sooner than later.

[Lathund]

Andrew Benintendi is among the 10 (TEN!!) Royals players going on the restricted list for their trip to Toronto. One side effect of that is that it removes the entire AL East as potential trade destinations for him. 

[Robocaller]

Another "fix all major needs" trade.

Trade with Pirates.

Brewers get:

Brian Reynolds

Jose Quintana

David Bednar.

 

Pirates get:

Whatever they want, if it's reasonable.

[endaround]

7 hours ago, Robocaller said:

Another "fix all major needs" trade.

Trade with Pirates.

Brewers get:

Brian Reynolds

Jose Quintana

David Bednar.

 

Pirates get:

Whatever they want, if it's reasonable.

Well reasonable here would be all the Brewer prospects that have any value

 

[SandyTolan]

Reynolds's oblique strain pretty much slams the door on any trade possibilities before the deadline.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/07/pirates-place-bryan-reynolds-on-il-with-oblique-strain.html

From the article:  

...the Pirates have maintained sky-high asking prices in any trade talks, which is why no trade has come together thus far. That hasn’t stopped teams from trying, however, with reporting from earlier today indicating the club has rejected offers on Reynolds, as well as closer David Bednar. It’s always seemed like the Pirates would hang onto him, but this IL placement effectively closes the door on whatever chance there was. 

[Robocaller]

5 hours ago, endaround said:

Well reasonable here would be all the Brewer prospects that have any value

 

For two rentals and a reliever who wasn't good before last season?