Josh Hader Traded to the Padres

[jay87shot]

They slotted Gasser at 8 and Ruiz at 9 on mlb.com prospects ahead of Ethan Small. I know those rankings need to be updated, but Ruiz seems like he should be higher. I would put him at 4 or 5 around Garrett Mitchell.

Also could this be a setup up for a trade that sends out an OF. Weimer, Fralick, Mitchell. Ruiz, and eventually Chorio. With Yeli in LF I would say something has to give.

[Joseph Zarr]

I've been going back and watching all of El Paso's games in rapid fashion since Esteury's promotion in 2022. Holy biscuits, watch this catch by his teammate (#5 MLB Pipeline prospect for Padres) Eguy Rosario. This is just bonkers! ?

 

[JosephC]

Ruiz sprint speed at Baseball Savant is 29.9 ft/sec which is tied for 8th best in the MLB.  He's interesting because his hitting got seemingly consistent poor reviews prior to this season, but then he made changes and actually hit in the minors this season, then got called up and didn't hit...although it was a small number of plate appearances.  Also posted negative DRS and UZR/150 in the field which was surprising when reading the scouting report.

What can you say?.....look like a typical boom-or-bust "athlete" type prospect.  I think BA's putting him at #8 on the Padre's list...which means he's a back end Top 300 prospect list when looking at all of baseball is a pretty reasonable and fair evaluation.

I looked at some youtube videos to check out Gasser's delivery, because knowing he was a lefty and, considering the Stearns factor...I just figured if the Brewers wanted him then he must have some type of funky delivery.  But nope, looked pretty "standard" as far as that goes.  There is the pause in the delivery which I don't think affects MLB quality hitters at all.  Again, back end Top 300 prospect in all of baseball seems pretty fair for him too.

Fair to say that when just looking at 2022, the value between Hader and Rogers is a wash?  I think you could argue that.  A better performance over 2 months for Hader could very well be offset by the fact that Rogers makes less money, making the surplus value difference between the two a complete wash.

As crazy as it sounds before actually looking at the number, Lamet could be on the hot seat.  He was a Super Two in his second year of arbitration, making 4.775 million this year and projecting to over 5 million next year...currently sits with a 9.49 ERA/5.07 FIP/4.64 xFIP makes him look like a solid non-tender candidate.  On the plus side, he also has a 4.17 SIERA which very well could be the number that Stearns looks at and may save Lamet.  But it does seem like he'll have to up his game quite a bit to guarantee he's offered arbitration for 2023.

So if 2022 Hader and 2022 Rogers is considered a wash...it's a couple back end Top 300 prospect plus a big question mark in Lamet for 1 year of Hader.

[nate82]

9 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

They slotted Gasser at 8 and Ruiz at 9 on mlb.com prospects ahead of Ethan Small. I know those rankings need to be updated, but Ruiz seems like he should be higher. I would put him at 4 or 5 around Garrett Mitchell.

Also could this be a setup up for a trade that sends out an OF. Weimer, Fralick, Mitchell. Ruiz, and eventually Chorio. With Yeli in LF I would say something has to give.

Yelich should really be playing DH and not LF.

[Joseph Zarr]

FYI, Esteury typically gets steals by like 3-4' and a good couple seconds. It's bonkers. Here's a taste:

Here's another taste:

 

You can post Hamilton steal numbers and pretend he's a similar player. Hamilton hasn't sniffed Ruiz's number in 2022. Like not even remotely close. Ruiz is the most complete offensive player in our Minor League system, today. Yes, better than Jackson Chourio. Yes, there's an age discrepancy so that needs to be considered and it is (meaning, please, I'm not saying "Hey, Ruiz is a better prospect than Jackson Chourio." Not at all). BUT, Ruiz is a legitimate prospect. Today. Man, our Minor League outfield depth is literally absurd right now. LOL.

[mothershipconnection]

3 hours ago, edfunderburk said:

Is the Mothership Connection moniker a tribute to the group Parliament from the mid-70’s? If so … I salute you! ?

It sure is.

[Brewcrew82]

I'll tell you what, though, it is going to be beyond weird seeing Josh Hader in a different uniform. The sentimental fan in me is sad today. But such is life cheering for a small-market franchise...

[Underachiever]

1 hour ago, homer said:

I was thinking Joey Meyer but yeah. I don't want to be hurt again.

I was thinking Tim Pyznarski, but it’s too soon.

 

[edfunderburk]

31 minutes ago, mothershipconnection said:

It sure is.

Are you surprised that a 61-year old, Caucasian, conservative minister knew about Parliament? 

[edfunderburk]

26 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I'll tell you what, though, it is going to be beyond weird seeing Josh Hader in a different uniform. The sentimental fan in me is sad today. But such is life cheering for a small-market franchise...

But we can watch him without being nervous

[homer]

33 minutes ago, mothershipconnection said:

It sure is.

welcome back, buddy! 

[Eye Black]

Sort of interesting to compare Hader’s rolling wOBA for his career with Rogers. Hader’s current issues may prove to just be a blip, but his recent performance has been easily the worst stretch of his career. Rogers has been trending the wrong direction as well, but if you look at their expected wOBA it appears more of Rogers troubles can be attributed to bad luck. 

And for good measure just take a look at how phenomenal Devin Williams has been recently…

[bulldogboy0733]

Hader lost value to me as soon as he became a 1 inning reliver. This fact along with the money situation makes the deal pretty fair as I see it. Limet reminds me of Chacin who the Brewers turned into a good starter for a while. If they can get something out of him then it's a great deal. The crew has no short term answer in center and this kid they got seems to fit the profile. Add in a lefty starter what's not to like??

[Pugger]

5 hours ago, craigharmann said:

Then….wouldn’t you want to…..improve? 

Do you believe this move improved the club today?

[brewcrewdue80]

Overall, I give Gasser the deciding factor in years to come if the Brewers won this trade. I am not going to praise Ruiz as this amazing get when he was an after-thought prior to this great batting season. Just see Grisham first yr+ to after or even Billy Hamilton if SBs is your fix. Could just be flash in the pan.

It's weird that Hader's 6run game with 3HRs given up doesn't have Severino to blame. First time in a live game ever catching Hader. I dont recall a slider thrown. Garbage pitch sequencing and locations and you get your pitcher shellacked. Hader hasn't lost it.  Unfortunate he had Severino catching him.

Rogers as I said earlier was a RP the crew would take back just thought he'd have more control with upside to be a Rogers later on. Kinda meh. 

No telling where we stand with Lamet. Kinda a weird player taken considering the make up and getting Bush for a certain bullpen spot. Doesn't gel and makes me feel this trade doesn't add up as a win this season. Potentially  overall when Gasser/Ruiz makes or breaks it. Let's see if the Padres hold on to Hader or trade him this offseason what that return is.

[craigharmann]

6 hours ago, Pugger said:

Do you believe this move improved the club today?

Today? On the field? To get to the World Series? Is Rogers a better closer than Hader? I don’t think so. So, no. 

[PeaveyFury]

1 minute ago, craigharmann said:

Today? On the field? To get to the World Series? Is Rogers a better closer than Hader? I don’t think so. So, no. 

I do think you can make a case that yesterday’s moves should be looked at in totality. Do Rogers plus Bush equal a better bullpen overall? Possibly, yes.

[MVP2110]

Given both trades that occurred yesterday, I think our bullpen is different, not necessarily better or worse. Rogers is certainly a downgrade from Hader, but adding Bush and Limet really helps add to the depth of the pen(plus Cousins will be back soon too) 

[craigharmann]

22 minutes ago, PeaveyFury said:

I do think you can make a case that yesterday’s moves should be looked at in totality. Do Rogers plus Bush equal a better bullpen overall? Possibly, yes.

Well yes. Any trade possibly helps and improves a team. It’s not a 100% guarantee. But, that coupled with the news that there were talks of trading Wong and Narvaez makes me question if trying to get to the World Series is the goal for this year or 3 years from now. 

[mothershipconnection]

I'm only surprised when people don't know P-Funk, and have wasted their time on inferior music.

[Eye Black]

From a national perspective the Brewers will fall in those “top 5 bullpens in MLB” type lists because they were almost entirely based on a teams top 2-3 relievers. But the reality is having Williams, Rogers, Bush, Lamet, Boxberger, Cousins, Suter is a much stronger overall bullpen then what the Brewers have been rolling with to this point.

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, PeaveyFury said:

I do think you can make a case that yesterday’s moves should be looked at in totality. Do Rogers plus Bush equal a better bullpen overall? Possibly, yes.

I would say it’s more than possibly; it’s probably. There is more talent in Lamet and Bush than the other folks who’ve gotten innings out of the pen: Trevor Kelley, Luke Barker, Gustave, Strzeleski, etc. 

In fact, the Brewers bullpen is pretty deep with experienced quality arms: Taylor, Williams, Boxberger, Bush, Lamet, McGee, Gott, Suter and Milner. 

In fact that’s 9 arms and Peralta is being activated today, perhaps Milner or Lamet goes to AAA. Although Milner doesn’t deserve it but Lamet is also being paid 5 million dollars

[PeaveyFury]

1 hour ago, craigharmann said:

Well yes. Any trade possibly helps and improves a team. It’s not a 100% guarantee. But, that coupled with the news that there were talks of trading Wong and Narvaez makes me question if trying to get to the World Series is the goal for this year or 3 years from now. 

Until those rumors actually lead to a deal, the team hasn’t done anything to negatively impact the offensive side of the equation. I think it’s pretty well known that the Brewers will make a lot of inquiries and take calls on almost anyone, but a small fraction actually results in a deal.

[PeaveyFury]

55 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

I would say it’s more than possibly; it’s probably. There is more talent in Lamet and Bush than the other folks who’ve gotten innings out of the pen: Trevor Kelley, Luke Barker, Gustave, Strzeleski, etc. 

In fact, the Brewers bullpen is pretty deep with experienced quality arms: Taylor, Williams, Boxberger, Bush, Lamet, McGee, Gott, Suter and Milner.

I think you’re likely right- the MLB team is probably better today than it was yesterday morning. It’s hard to lose an elite, marquis-type player, but they’re deeper than they were for sure.

[sveumrules]

1 hour ago, craigharmann said:

 makes me question if trying to get to the World Series is the goal for this year or 3 years from now. 

Both.

I believe the front office has stated their goal is to field a competitive team season after season & they’re on a five year roll.